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I'm not familiar with those acronyms. Googling suggests ERV = Energy Recovery Ventilator [0] and HRV = Heat Recovery Ventilator [1]. Wikipedia says these are mo

I'm not familiar with those acronyms. Googling suggests ERV = Energy Recovery Ventilator [0] and HRV = Heat Recovery Ventilator [1]. Wikipedia says these are mostly about energy efficiency but also have air quality benefits. It's not clear to me how this helps with indoor air quality - maybe better humidity and temperature regulation? They also seem to require a centralized air conditioning/heating system. That would give you a nice central place to put an air quality monitor. The big challenge though is that often these central systems don't process all air in the building evenly. Multi-zone systems help. 1000% agree on the venting. It occurs to me that I have some gas heaters that I should double-check the venting on... [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Energy_recovery_ventilation https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Energy_recovery_ventilation [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heat_recovery_ventilation https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heat_recovery_ventilation

Retric 6y ago
Having a heat exchanger let’s you exchange large quantities of outside air with indoor air at minimal costs. Trading 70f indoor air with -30f outside air is bad, moving heat between them means could be venting air closer to -10f and only need to heat the new air from 50f to 70f You still want a quality filter and humidity is an issue in some areas, but overall they can make a huge difference.
- telchar 6y ago
  Wouldn't a heat exchanger top out at equalizing the inward and outward bound air at 20F in this case?
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  - gns24 6y ago
    No. Imagine that your heat exchanger is simply two touching pipes running parallel to each other, with flows in opposite directions. Incoming air will gradually warm up as it comes inwards, eventually being warmed by the air which has just left the room. You can get a much better result than just averaging the temperatures.
  - kens 6y ago
    The idea is "countercurrent exchange": the incoming air and outgoing air travel in opposite directions through the heat exchanger. The result is that most of the heat gets transferred. At the end of the exchanger, the warmed incoming air is in contact with 70° outgoing air, so it will be at almost 70°. Similarly, the outgoing air will be at almost -10° as it exits. It will probably make more sense if you look at the diagram: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Countercurrent_exchange https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Countercurrent_exchange
    - robocat 6y ago
      Fun fact: "An example of countercurrent heat exchange occurs in the feet of penguins, in which heat from blood in the arteries supplying the feet is transferred to blood returning to the body's core in veins that lie close to these arteries."
sjg007 6y ago
They are called air exchangers, basically the replace indoor air with outside air but pre-heat the outdoor air using a heat exchanger off the indoor air. So AQI definitely improves when they are run. My house basically has a natural set point that the exchanger runs at per season. Much like my thermostat I can basically leave it at a setting for a season and it works well. There are a few days I may have to slightly adjust things, usually when there's a big temp swing, so if it were more automated that'd be better but in general I have to maintain conditioned air in both the winter and summer to keep the house stable... and the house seems happier for it.
kaitai 6y ago
One can install HRVs and ERVs with no centralized system. We have, oh, three heat sources and half an AC in our house (old house) and can install a freestanding HRV or ERV simply as an air exchange (bringing in fresh air and letting out stale air). As we live in a cold climate, we're working out what we need in terms of HRV vs ERV. It seems like a slightly better solution than "leave the upstairs window cracked" which is what we do now.

Retric 6y ago

Having a heat exchanger let’s you exchange large quantities of outside air with indoor air at minimal costs. Trading 70f indoor air with -30f outside air is bad, moving heat between them means could be venting air closer to -10f and only need to heat the new air from 50f to 70f You still want a quality filter and humidity is an issue in some areas, but overall they can make a huge difference.

telchar 6y ago
Wouldn't a heat exchanger top out at equalizing the inward and outward bound air at 20F in this case?
- deleted 6y ago
  [deleted]
- gns24 6y ago
  No. Imagine that your heat exchanger is simply two touching pipes running parallel to each other, with flows in opposite directions. Incoming air will gradually warm up as it comes inwards, eventually being warmed by the air which has just left the room. You can get a much better result than just averaging the temperatures.
- kens 6y ago
  The idea is "countercurrent exchange": the incoming air and outgoing air travel in opposite directions through the heat exchanger. The result is that most of the heat gets transferred. At the end of the exchanger, the warmed incoming air is in contact with 70° outgoing air, so it will be at almost 70°. Similarly, the outgoing air will be at almost -10° as it exits. It will probably make more sense if you look at the diagram: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Countercurrent_exchange https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Countercurrent_exchange
  - robocat 6y ago
    Fun fact: "An example of countercurrent heat exchange occurs in the feet of penguins, in which heat from blood in the arteries supplying the feet is transferred to blood returning to the body's core in veins that lie close to these arteries."

sjg007 6y ago

They are called air exchangers, basically the replace indoor air with outside air but pre-heat the outdoor air using a heat exchanger off the indoor air. So AQI definitely improves when they are run. My house basically has a natural set point that the exchanger runs at per season. Much like my thermostat I can basically leave it at a setting for a season and it works well. There are a few days I may have to slightly adjust things, usually when there's a big temp swing, so if it were more automated that'd be better but in general I have to maintain conditioned air in both the winter and summer to keep the house stable... and the house seems happier for it.

kaitai 6y ago

One can install HRVs and ERVs with no centralized system. We have, oh, three heat sources and half an AC in our house (old house) and can install a freestanding HRV or ERV simply as an air exchange (bringing in fresh air and letting out stale air). As we live in a cold climate, we're working out what we need in terms of HRV vs ERV. It seems like a slightly better solution than "leave the upstairs window cracked" which is what we do now.