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JavaScript is fast compared to what it used to be, and faster than Python for example, in many circumstances. [1] As far as large groups of people being wrong,

JavaScript is fast compared to what it used to be, and faster than Python for example, in many circumstances. [1] As far as large groups of people being wrong, that also applies to HN. The industry trend has been toward larger frontend components, and that’s not because of tyrannical engineers (since when do engineers have business power?). It’s just cheaper to create code on the frontend a lot of the time, especially if you have to weigh writing the code in JS versus e.g. Go with a properly formed GraphQL backend. [1] https://benchmarksgame-team.pages.debian.net/benchmarksgame/fastest/python.html https://benchmarksgame-team.pages.debian.net/benchmarksgame/...

axegon_ 6y ago
Go unfortunately suffers from something similar: packaging. Even if you don't know the history of go, you have to look at it only once to figure out that this part is a hacky afterthought. Like everything in js. Also comparison of scripting languages is the stupidest thing one can do and I'd have expected better from debian but oh well... My point remains: javascript is the stupidest language ever made(including the esoteric languages) and it should have been scrapped a long time ago. I have 1000+ books on my shelves next to me and if I start describing the utter crap found in javascript, I'd have to write 10 times as much. Stupid type system, idiotic paradigms, no clear structure, shit standard library, inconsistent naming conventions even in the standard library alone, it's as compatible with lower level languages as olive oil and alcohol(ffi is absolute shit with outrageous overhead), slow, unpredictable, does not have a clear way to do basic stuff like deep cloning. But you are right, it's cheaper to write an interface using javascript. But if cost saving is our top priority, there's yet another argument for scrapping it altogether: ncurses. 10 times faster to write, 10000 times better performance, runs on anything with a screen. I'd totally vote for dropping the current web in favor of console-based web.
- ironmagma 6y ago
  > I'd totally vote for dropping the current web in favor of console-based web. Hardly an unpopular opinion here on beloved HN. I love you guys, but also am glad you don’t hold the reins to make this a reality. :-)

axegon_ 6y ago

Go unfortunately suffers from something similar: packaging. Even if you don't know the history of go, you have to look at it only once to figure out that this part is a hacky afterthought. Like everything in js. Also comparison of scripting languages is the stupidest thing one can do and I'd have expected better from debian but oh well... My point remains: javascript is the stupidest language ever made(including the esoteric languages) and it should have been scrapped a long time ago. I have 1000+ books on my shelves next to me and if I start describing the utter crap found in javascript, I'd have to write 10 times as much. Stupid type system, idiotic paradigms, no clear structure, shit standard library, inconsistent naming conventions even in the standard library alone, it's as compatible with lower level languages as olive oil and alcohol(ffi is absolute shit with outrageous overhead), slow, unpredictable, does not have a clear way to do basic stuff like deep cloning. But you are right, it's cheaper to write an interface using javascript. But if cost saving is our top priority, there's yet another argument for scrapping it altogether: ncurses. 10 times faster to write, 10000 times better performance, runs on anything with a screen. I'd totally vote for dropping the current web in favor of console-based web.

ironmagma 6y ago
> I'd totally vote for dropping the current web in favor of console-based web. Hardly an unpopular opinion here on beloved HN. I love you guys, but also am glad you don’t hold the reins to make this a reality. :-)