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> open platform when it comes to operating systems. That’s not a feature of x86 itself. That’s just how the computers themselves are assembled. X86 machines co

> open platform when it comes to operating systems. That’s not a feature of x86 itself. That’s just how the computers themselves are assembled. X86 machines could be just as locked down as Apple machines, if the vendor wanted them to be (and Microsoft tried!). ARM builds for multiple OSs exist, including multiple Linux distributions and Windows.

user-the-name 6y ago
Apple Silicon Macs are not locked down. They have full support for booting other OSes.
- mbreese 6y ago
  I'm hopeful. I think it still remains to be seen if this is practically possible and not just theoretically possible. But I'm hopeful that it will be the case. Not only is it a good thing for the Linux world to have multiple architectures/more hardware to work with, but I think it would also be good for Apple to show that they are more open with their computers than phones, for example. When it comes down to it, Apple is still (largely) a hardware company. If someone wants to buy a Mac to put Linux on it, they still sold a Mac. And I think that having the Linux community testing their hardware would do nothing but make their hardware stronger.
- michaelt 6y ago
  “We’re not direct booting an alternate operating system,” says Craig Federighi, Apple’s senior vice president of software engineering. “Purely virtualization is the route. These hypervisors can be very efficient, so the need to direct boot shouldn’t really be the concern.” https://www.theverge.com/2020/6/24/21302213/apple-silicon-mac-arm-windows-support-boot-camp https://www.theverge.com/2020/6/24/21302213/apple-silicon-ma...
  - user-the-name 6y ago
    Doesn't really matter what he said five months ago, the actual computers out now support booting multiple OSes. (In PRACTICE, you probably want to virtualise instead, because of a lack of support for the hardware.)
  - hombre_fatal 6y ago
    A couple weeks ago, Ars Technica had a nice interview with him: https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2020/11/we-are-giddy-interviewing-apple-about-its-mac-silicon-revolution/ https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2020/11/we-are-giddy-intervi... > As for Windows running natively on the machine, “that’s really up to Microsoft,” he said. “We have the core technologies for them to do that, to run their ARM version of Windows, which in turn of course supports x86 user mode applications. But that’s a decision Microsoft has to make, to bring to license that technology for users to run on these Macs. But the Macs are certainly very capable of it.”
  - saagarjha 6y ago
    > We're He did a demo where he virtualized an OS. That doesn't mean you can't boot another OS.

user-the-name 6y ago

Apple Silicon Macs are not locked down. They have full support for booting other OSes.

mbreese 6y ago
I'm hopeful. I think it still remains to be seen if this is practically possible and not just theoretically possible. But I'm hopeful that it will be the case. Not only is it a good thing for the Linux world to have multiple architectures/more hardware to work with, but I think it would also be good for Apple to show that they are more open with their computers than phones, for example. When it comes down to it, Apple is still (largely) a hardware company. If someone wants to buy a Mac to put Linux on it, they still sold a Mac. And I think that having the Linux community testing their hardware would do nothing but make their hardware stronger.
michaelt 6y ago
“We’re not direct booting an alternate operating system,” says Craig Federighi, Apple’s senior vice president of software engineering. “Purely virtualization is the route. These hypervisors can be very efficient, so the need to direct boot shouldn’t really be the concern.” https://www.theverge.com/2020/6/24/21302213/apple-silicon-mac-arm-windows-support-boot-camp https://www.theverge.com/2020/6/24/21302213/apple-silicon-ma...
- user-the-name 6y ago
  Doesn't really matter what he said five months ago, the actual computers out now support booting multiple OSes. (In PRACTICE, you probably want to virtualise instead, because of a lack of support for the hardware.)
- hombre_fatal 6y ago
  A couple weeks ago, Ars Technica had a nice interview with him: https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2020/11/we-are-giddy-interviewing-apple-about-its-mac-silicon-revolution/ https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2020/11/we-are-giddy-intervi... > As for Windows running natively on the machine, “that’s really up to Microsoft,” he said. “We have the core technologies for them to do that, to run their ARM version of Windows, which in turn of course supports x86 user mode applications. But that’s a decision Microsoft has to make, to bring to license that technology for users to run on these Macs. But the Macs are certainly very capable of it.”
- saagarjha 6y ago
  > We're He did a demo where he virtualized an OS. That doesn't mean you can't boot another OS.