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It's not like Intel is stellar in terms of privacy. I think the grandparent means that using an M1 implies using macOS, which had its share of potential privac

It's not like Intel is stellar in terms of privacy. I think the grandparent means that using an M1 implies using macOS, which had its share of potential privacy issues recently (regularly phoning home on launching apps, having Apple service circumvent VPNs and application firewalls).

klelatti 6y ago
cough Intel Management Engine cough
- rbanffy 6y ago
  cough Windows telemetry cough
  - Grazester 6y ago
    It X86-64 not being as locked down we can install any compatible OS desired. One is not limited to Window!
    - klelatti 6y ago
      Same is true for the M1!
      - ben-schaaf 6y ago
        Until the point in time where Apple decides to publish documentation so that drivers can be written in order to actually run other operating systems, the M1 will remain as locked down as any iPhone - minus finding a way to jailbreak. X86 is on a completely different level, see: https://01.org/linuxgraphics/documentation/hardware-specification-prms https://01.org/linuxgraphics/documentation/hardware-specific...
        klelatti 6y ago
        It's a matter of opinion I suppose but in my view 'locked down' is not the same as not providing driver support. The former implies actively preventing people from running other OSs on the hardware - which they could have done but chose not too.
      - Grazester 6y ago
        We can install Linux on the M1 now? Is there something I missed?
- vetinari 6y ago
  IME is strictly local, and is concerned with handling the hardware. AMT, built on top of IME is not, it has networking, but if you have AMT, you know very well, because you paid extra for it. None of the above is at the same level as phoning home or ignoring the user's firewall.
  - josephg 6y ago
    At least Apple’s certificate checks are (ostensibly) anonymised. Windows telemetry is explicitly designed to build a personalised profile about you for advertisers. There are a lot of options you can disable throughout windows’ control panel, but I’d be shocked if you can actually turn all of it off for good without registry tweaks.
    - vetinari 6y ago
      That's why I addressed Intel IME, not Windows telemetry. I put Windows telemetry into same bag as the Apple calling mothership.
      - klelatti 6y ago
        Neither Apple or Microsoft are in the right on this - but given the multiple issues associated with it neither is IME.
      - valuearb 6y ago
        In the same bag?!? You are really jumping through hoops to try to make a platform designed to protect your privacy equivalent to one designed to sell it.
        vetinari 6y ago
        Protect privacy? By disregarding the firewall that the user has set up?
        valuearb 6y ago
- fsflover 6y ago
  cough https://github.com/corna/me_cleaner https://github.com/corna/me_cleaner cough
  - klelatti 6y ago
    > me_cleaner currently works on most of the Intel platforms; while this doesn't mean it works on all the boards (due to the different firmware implementations)

klelatti 6y ago

cough Intel Management Engine cough

rbanffy 6y ago
cough Windows telemetry cough
- Grazester 6y ago
  It X86-64 not being as locked down we can install any compatible OS desired. One is not limited to Window!
  - klelatti 6y ago
    Same is true for the M1!
    - ben-schaaf 6y ago
      Until the point in time where Apple decides to publish documentation so that drivers can be written in order to actually run other operating systems, the M1 will remain as locked down as any iPhone - minus finding a way to jailbreak. X86 is on a completely different level, see: https://01.org/linuxgraphics/documentation/hardware-specification-prms https://01.org/linuxgraphics/documentation/hardware-specific...
      - klelatti 6y ago
        It's a matter of opinion I suppose but in my view 'locked down' is not the same as not providing driver support. The former implies actively preventing people from running other OSs on the hardware - which they could have done but chose not too.
    - Grazester 6y ago
      We can install Linux on the M1 now? Is there something I missed?
vetinari 6y ago
IME is strictly local, and is concerned with handling the hardware. AMT, built on top of IME is not, it has networking, but if you have AMT, you know very well, because you paid extra for it. None of the above is at the same level as phoning home or ignoring the user's firewall.
- josephg 6y ago
  At least Apple’s certificate checks are (ostensibly) anonymised. Windows telemetry is explicitly designed to build a personalised profile about you for advertisers. There are a lot of options you can disable throughout windows’ control panel, but I’d be shocked if you can actually turn all of it off for good without registry tweaks.
  - vetinari 6y ago
    That's why I addressed Intel IME, not Windows telemetry. I put Windows telemetry into same bag as the Apple calling mothership.
    - klelatti 6y ago
      Neither Apple or Microsoft are in the right on this - but given the multiple issues associated with it neither is IME.
    - valuearb 6y ago
      In the same bag?!? You are really jumping through hoops to try to make a platform designed to protect your privacy equivalent to one designed to sell it.
      - vetinari 6y ago
        Protect privacy? By disregarding the firewall that the user has set up?
        valuearb 6y ago
fsflover 6y ago
cough https://github.com/corna/me_cleaner https://github.com/corna/me_cleaner cough
- klelatti 6y ago
  > me_cleaner currently works on most of the Intel platforms; while this doesn't mean it works on all the boards (due to the different firmware implementations)