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It's true, but why would you put your focus on reducing your individual emission by (rough estimate) 30%, instead of demanding solutions that can get your emiss

It's true, but why would you put your focus on reducing your individual emission by (rough estimate) 30%, instead of demanding solutions that can get your emissions down by 100%? There's this urge to self-sacrifice and then look down on other people who don't, and it's really counter-productive in every way.

tonyedgecombe 6y ago
Because technology alone won't solve the problem. There is no green alternative to flying across the Atlantic and there probably won't ever be. Applying the same thinking that got us into this situation won't get us out of it. then look down on other people who don't That's in your mind, not mine.
- tjansen 6y ago
  "Because technology alone won't solve the problem." Technology is more likely to solve the problem than reducing emissions by a certain percentage, which is guaranteed to be insufficient. Transatlantic flights are certainly a hard problem, but why should it be impossible? Either using hydrogen, synthetic fuels and/or by offsetting emissions with carbon capturing.
  - tonyedgecombe 6y ago
    If all that comes along then great, take advantage of it. But right now there are no hydrogen planes rolling off the production line in Seattle. Carbon capture has been hyped for a long time now but we aren't seeing anything substantial happening. Which leaves us in the situation that if you get on a plane to cross the Atlantic today you will add another ton of CO2 to the atmosphere. Carrying on as we are right now is like spending next years pay rise before you have got the promotion, it will bankrupt us.
- throwaway0a5e 6y ago
  Technology eventually solved every problem by making the solutions cheap enough to be acceptable. Back when every river in Europe was full of human shit, the air was full of smog and pretty much the entire continent was devoid of timber people were saying the exact same sort of "technology will never solve this, we need to make sacrifices" crap. I could go on but "making sacrifices" does not work at scale because when you apply that one approach to more than one problem you wind up sacrificing so many things that the standard of living is driven back by hundreds of years.
  - tonyedgecombe 6y ago
    Technology eventually solved every problem by making the solutions cheap enough to be acceptable. Technology created this problem, applying the same thinking that got us into this situation won't get us out of it. All this wishful thinking crap won't get us anywhere. You don't need to drive your standard of living back hundreds of years although if we don't get a handle on climate change that will happen.

tonyedgecombe 6y ago

Because technology alone won't solve the problem. There is no green alternative to flying across the Atlantic and there probably won't ever be. Applying the same thinking that got us into this situation won't get us out of it. then look down on other people who don't That's in your mind, not mine.

tjansen 6y ago
"Because technology alone won't solve the problem." Technology is more likely to solve the problem than reducing emissions by a certain percentage, which is guaranteed to be insufficient. Transatlantic flights are certainly a hard problem, but why should it be impossible? Either using hydrogen, synthetic fuels and/or by offsetting emissions with carbon capturing.
- tonyedgecombe 6y ago
  If all that comes along then great, take advantage of it. But right now there are no hydrogen planes rolling off the production line in Seattle. Carbon capture has been hyped for a long time now but we aren't seeing anything substantial happening. Which leaves us in the situation that if you get on a plane to cross the Atlantic today you will add another ton of CO2 to the atmosphere. Carrying on as we are right now is like spending next years pay rise before you have got the promotion, it will bankrupt us.
throwaway0a5e 6y ago
Technology eventually solved every problem by making the solutions cheap enough to be acceptable. Back when every river in Europe was full of human shit, the air was full of smog and pretty much the entire continent was devoid of timber people were saying the exact same sort of "technology will never solve this, we need to make sacrifices" crap. I could go on but "making sacrifices" does not work at scale because when you apply that one approach to more than one problem you wind up sacrificing so many things that the standard of living is driven back by hundreds of years.
- tonyedgecombe 6y ago
  Technology eventually solved every problem by making the solutions cheap enough to be acceptable. Technology created this problem, applying the same thinking that got us into this situation won't get us out of it. All this wishful thinking crap won't get us anywhere. You don't need to drive your standard of living back hundreds of years although if we don't get a handle on climate change that will happen.