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Please stop. Seriously, this kind of mentality can only be detrimental to the effort to curb climate change. Every single discussion on the topic inadvertently

by rocgf 6y ago

Please stop. Seriously, this kind of mentality can only be detrimental to the effort to curb climate change. Every single discussion on the topic inadvertently ends up in the same few debates about numbers. Denmark has taken a decision against its own economic interest, same as Norway before it (and maybe others). This is a decision worthy of a lot of respect.

internet_user 6y ago
No respect until they sanction polluting nations. It's all just empty quixotic platitudes until then.
ThomPete 6y ago
Why is it worthy of respect to go against your own interest? By making energy energy more expensive all you have done is taking a step further towards ex keeping 1 billion people in energy poverty because you are making it more expensive for them. Denmark have invested heavily in wind over the last 40 years, as a replacement yet it only covers 8% of it's energy needs. We don't need to curb climate change, we just need to control the consequences of it which we have done historially using fossil fuels. The idea that the climate before the industrial revolution was some perfect equilibrium and that our emissions are a grave danger to the world is simply not historically true. What is true is that what used to be a dangerous storm today can be a setting for a romantic dinner because humans have been able to invent ways to control the consequences of climate leading to much fewer people dead from it.
- sdwa 6y ago
  >Why is it worthy of respect to go against your own interest? Isn't this like a basic human principle? That we are taught as children? That sacrificing one's own interests for the commonwealth is typically considered virtuous? So your question is total nonsense unless you were brought up in a forest by a bear somewhere and actually genuinely don't understand.
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  - ThomPete 6y ago
    It might be nonsense if you believe that making energy more expensive is virtuous. I am unconvinced that's the case.
throwaway0a5e 6y ago
People take decisions that are in line with their ideology against their economic interest all the time. Pretty much any "poorer than national average" US state that isn't in favor of national healthcare is doing thins. I'd wager more than half of all separatist movements are not for the economic benefit of whoever wants out. And then there's obviously tons of "economically bad but we like it so we do mental gymnastics to pretend it's not" public policy. I'm not saying this is a bad thing but "doing something against their economic interest" is a really low bar
- rocgf 6y ago
  I'm perplexed. This is a clear an example of false equivalence as you can hope to spot in the wild. On the one hand, you have US states that don't want free healthcare because they are uneducated and think it's "communist". There is no sacrifice, no bravery, no nothing. It's just a lack of understanding. On the other hand, you have Denmark which has put the health of the planet ahead of their economic wellbeing. This is something that very few countries have done. You are comparing apples and oranges here.

by rocgf 6y ago

internet_user 6y ago

No respect until they sanction polluting nations. It's all just empty quixotic platitudes until then.

ThomPete 6y ago

Why is it worthy of respect to go against your own interest? By making energy energy more expensive all you have done is taking a step further towards ex keeping 1 billion people in energy poverty because you are making it more expensive for them. Denmark have invested heavily in wind over the last 40 years, as a replacement yet it only covers 8% of it's energy needs. We don't need to curb climate change, we just need to control the consequences of it which we have done historially using fossil fuels. The idea that the climate before the industrial revolution was some perfect equilibrium and that our emissions are a grave danger to the world is simply not historically true. What is true is that what used to be a dangerous storm today can be a setting for a romantic dinner because humans have been able to invent ways to control the consequences of climate leading to much fewer people dead from it.

sdwa 6y ago
>Why is it worthy of respect to go against your own interest? Isn't this like a basic human principle? That we are taught as children? That sacrificing one's own interests for the commonwealth is typically considered virtuous? So your question is total nonsense unless you were brought up in a forest by a bear somewhere and actually genuinely don't understand.
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- ThomPete 6y ago
  It might be nonsense if you believe that making energy more expensive is virtuous. I am unconvinced that's the case.

throwaway0a5e 6y ago

People take decisions that are in line with their ideology against their economic interest all the time. Pretty much any "poorer than national average" US state that isn't in favor of national healthcare is doing thins. I'd wager more than half of all separatist movements are not for the economic benefit of whoever wants out. And then there's obviously tons of "economically bad but we like it so we do mental gymnastics to pretend it's not" public policy. I'm not saying this is a bad thing but "doing something against their economic interest" is a really low bar

rocgf 6y ago
I'm perplexed. This is a clear an example of false equivalence as you can hope to spot in the wild. On the one hand, you have US states that don't want free healthcare because they are uneducated and think it's "communist". There is no sacrifice, no bravery, no nothing. It's just a lack of understanding. On the other hand, you have Denmark which has put the health of the planet ahead of their economic wellbeing. This is something that very few countries have done. You are comparing apples and oranges here.