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Author here. Ex Red Hat, yes. Couple of things: 1. Docker being deprecated has nothing to do with anyone's competitive intent. I believe that the Kubernetes co

Author here. Ex Red Hat, yes. Couple of things: 1. Docker being deprecated has nothing to do with anyone's competitive intent. I believe that the Kubernetes community is optimizing away from bloat. 2. I do not espouse podman. This post was about the container runtime, which podman is most definitely not. It's been a few years since I left the company, but it's unfortunate that you've had the experience you describe.

lmeyerov 6y ago
I wouldn't have written anything if dockerless was opt-in for when you wanted to experiment with dropping `dnf install docker-ce`. There's a difference between infra orgs promoting new tech as an alternative vs. blocking their competitors. Infra co's are paid to be reliable neutral providers & advisors - instead, it seems corporate greed here has folks actively breaking enterprise userland and misleading decisions makers in sensitive areas like gov, utilities, world-scale services, etc. Like I said, I found the technical goal interesting and have been following. However, working through the year+ papertrail of RH doublespeak here makes me dread having to interact with them as an active OSS dev and in my dayjob working with big businesses / govs. RHEL often has policy lock-in in these orgs, so I know it'll keep happening unless the community stops it. As is, the stewards are needlessly risking putting podman and friends into a politically contentious category similar to urbit, oracle, etc., and are costing a lot of time & $$$ from people who are already stretched thin.
mekster 6y ago
I'm a random docker user but that is the same feeling. podman just doesn't work like docker and podman-compose isn't even at a usable state when RH deprecated Docker which seems completely rushed. And when you see that it's actually not so easy to install docker anymore, you get the feeling RH has another intention such as trying to control container business by themselves by trying to move people off docker. If it was purely from technical superiority, then it should've had a smoother migration path.

lmeyerov 6y ago

I wouldn't have written anything if dockerless was opt-in for when you wanted to experiment with dropping `dnf install docker-ce`. There's a difference between infra orgs promoting new tech as an alternative vs. blocking their competitors. Infra co's are paid to be reliable neutral providers & advisors - instead, it seems corporate greed here has folks actively breaking enterprise userland and misleading decisions makers in sensitive areas like gov, utilities, world-scale services, etc. Like I said, I found the technical goal interesting and have been following. However, working through the year+ papertrail of RH doublespeak here makes me dread having to interact with them as an active OSS dev and in my dayjob working with big businesses / govs. RHEL often has policy lock-in in these orgs, so I know it'll keep happening unless the community stops it. As is, the stewards are needlessly risking putting podman and friends into a politically contentious category similar to urbit, oracle, etc., and are costing a lot of time & $$$ from people who are already stretched thin.

mekster 6y ago

I'm a random docker user but that is the same feeling. podman just doesn't work like docker and podman-compose isn't even at a usable state when RH deprecated Docker which seems completely rushed. And when you see that it's actually not so easy to install docker anymore, you get the feeling RH has another intention such as trying to control container business by themselves by trying to move people off docker. If it was purely from technical superiority, then it should've had a smoother migration path.