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I don't show my ID to "anyone asking for it", but to those whom I choose. Further, it is not a "public document". If it were public, I could demand that (for

I don't show my ID to "anyone asking for it", but to those whom I choose. Further, it is not a "public document". If it were public, I could demand that (for example) the license bureau give me a copy of yours. As well, there is a massive difference between showing it for a second to a person, and uploading a digitized image of it. In the former, there is no copy or record of it made. It is merely examined for authenticity, against my face or signature.. then immediately returned. Meanwhile, the digital copy can be further endlessly copied, and without me seeing it happen. I must trust that it is deleted, trust it is never copied, trust the org does not have a leak, trust all her employees, and the list goes on and on and on. Control, you see, is vital in this equation. Trust, and control. Trust, that I have control. Some of my ID has identification numbers on them. I do not want them to be recorded, and immediately snag back my ID if someone attempts to write them down. Can I see someone copying my digitized ID? Snag it back, if I mysteriously become aware of it? No, no I can not. FYI, I actually looked at some of your comment history, for I was absolutely certain you were a professional troll. I see you are not, yet this is how strongly my mind sits in a state of vast befuddlement. ID theft has been international news, countless laws exist to protect ID, identity. Yet, you just shrug this all aside, and 'meh' the whole thing?

baby 6y ago
> Further, it is not a "public document". If it were public, I could demand that (for example) the license bureau give me a copy of yours. That's not what "public" necessarily mean, what you have in mind is published in a public registry, while public here means that there are no secrets involved. Your ID is being circulated, and scanned, and copied, between different people and companies and organizations that you want it or not, because there is no way you can get around in the US (or in most countries) without sharing your ID, or a photo of it, or a photocopy, or the content in it. > As well, there is a massive difference between showing it for a second to a person, and uploading a digitized image of it. In the former, there is no copy or record of it made. It is merely examined for authenticity, against my face or signature.. then immediately returned. It's a negligible distinction IMO, some people can make an effort to remember what's on the ID, or to sneakily have a way to take a picture of it. Once you're displaying your ID to somebody's eyes, or handing it to them, it's fair game.
- bbarnett 6y ago
  Your ID is most certainly secret. There are acts all over the world, protecting Personal Identifiable Information (Pii). ID, as it includes things like name, address, sex, height, weight, age, eye colour, signature, falls under a variety of legislations. My ID is not having any of the things you said, done. Not legally. It is illegal where I live, for companies, or persons, to share PII without permission. And even if permission is granted, there are massive restrictions on how to store it, share it, and so on. My ID is seen as "a secret to be kept" by the state. Laws exist for the purpose of keeping it as secret as possible. Due to all of these laws, ID is not asked for, at least where I live, in the bizarre fashion it seems to be asked for, where ever you live. For example, when I open a bank account, the banking rep does ask for my ID, look at my ID, and... return it! No copying, cloning, scanning, or even writing down the number! Why would they? The purpose of ID is to show "Yeah, this guy is who he claims to be", and that's it. Purpose over. Once done, the bank issues me ID to use with it, and its services. My bank card. And remembering ID? Who would I even be sharing my ID with? I've gone years without pulling it out of my pocket. Why do I need it? For whom? When? Regardless, your last paragraph isn't relevant. You're discussing someone pulling an illegal act, compared to my desire to reduce the probability of an illegal act happening. I don't think there's much left to say here. You seem to want to ignore all differences of scale and scope, and just pretend that things with different risk factors, are 100% identical.
  - baby 6y ago
    > No copying, cloning, scanning, or even writing down the number! Not sure where you live, but that seems bizarre to me oO btw I've lived in France/China/Canada/UK/US and have had bank accounts in all these countries and remember having to share my ID every time (which was photocopied). Also PII and laws like GDPRs are not about "secrets".
    - bbarnett 6y ago
      No bank photocopies ID in Canada. Ever. A secret is a thing you do not share with another. What do you think PII laws say? Don't share! I don't see the point in continuing here. You merely wish to try to change the meaning of words, over and over. It's pointless.

baby 6y ago

> Further, it is not a "public document". If it were public, I could demand that (for example) the license bureau give me a copy of yours. That's not what "public" necessarily mean, what you have in mind is published in a public registry, while public here means that there are no secrets involved. Your ID is being circulated, and scanned, and copied, between different people and companies and organizations that you want it or not, because there is no way you can get around in the US (or in most countries) without sharing your ID, or a photo of it, or a photocopy, or the content in it. > As well, there is a massive difference between showing it for a second to a person, and uploading a digitized image of it. In the former, there is no copy or record of it made. It is merely examined for authenticity, against my face or signature.. then immediately returned. It's a negligible distinction IMO, some people can make an effort to remember what's on the ID, or to sneakily have a way to take a picture of it. Once you're displaying your ID to somebody's eyes, or handing it to them, it's fair game.

bbarnett 6y ago
Your ID is most certainly secret. There are acts all over the world, protecting Personal Identifiable Information (Pii). ID, as it includes things like name, address, sex, height, weight, age, eye colour, signature, falls under a variety of legislations. My ID is not having any of the things you said, done. Not legally. It is illegal where I live, for companies, or persons, to share PII without permission. And even if permission is granted, there are massive restrictions on how to store it, share it, and so on. My ID is seen as "a secret to be kept" by the state. Laws exist for the purpose of keeping it as secret as possible. Due to all of these laws, ID is not asked for, at least where I live, in the bizarre fashion it seems to be asked for, where ever you live. For example, when I open a bank account, the banking rep does ask for my ID, look at my ID, and... return it! No copying, cloning, scanning, or even writing down the number! Why would they? The purpose of ID is to show "Yeah, this guy is who he claims to be", and that's it. Purpose over. Once done, the bank issues me ID to use with it, and its services. My bank card. And remembering ID? Who would I even be sharing my ID with? I've gone years without pulling it out of my pocket. Why do I need it? For whom? When? Regardless, your last paragraph isn't relevant. You're discussing someone pulling an illegal act, compared to my desire to reduce the probability of an illegal act happening. I don't think there's much left to say here. You seem to want to ignore all differences of scale and scope, and just pretend that things with different risk factors, are 100% identical.
- baby 6y ago
  > No copying, cloning, scanning, or even writing down the number! Not sure where you live, but that seems bizarre to me oO btw I've lived in France/China/Canada/UK/US and have had bank accounts in all these countries and remember having to share my ID every time (which was photocopied). Also PII and laws like GDPRs are not about "secrets".
  - bbarnett 6y ago
    No bank photocopies ID in Canada. Ever. A secret is a thing you do not share with another. What do you think PII laws say? Don't share! I don't see the point in continuing here. You merely wish to try to change the meaning of words, over and over. It's pointless.