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This story is based on this video from Twitter: https://twitter.com/SpencerKlavan/status/1335007535070253057 https://twitter.com/SpencerKlavan/status/133500753

by imgabe 6y ago

This story is based on this video from Twitter: https://twitter.com/SpencerKlavan/status/1335007535070253057 https://twitter.com/SpencerKlavan/status/1335007535070253057 You can see the tables. They're about the same distance apart. There's also like 10x more of them for the film set than for the restaurant.

gamblor956 6y ago
The risk profiles are completely different. Every single person eating on the film set has been tested regularly and continuously and is not permitted on set if they have an ambiguous or positive result. In the event of a positive result, they're not even permitted on set for at least a week until after the last positive result, even when followup tests suggest that the positive result may have been false positive. When on set, all crew and cast must wear masks at all times except when filming, in which case cast but not crew may remove their masks for the duration of the take. How often are the restaurant employees being tested? How often of the customers being tested? (For both questions, the answer is "not regularly, if at all".)
- imgabe 6y ago
  Testing is great, but that's not a measure of risk. For every 100 people who eat at a restaurant, how many get the virus? For every 100 people working on a film set how many get the virus? These are the numbers we should look at to compare one vs. the other.
  - gamblor956 6y ago
    For the first one, it depends on the local population and the type of restaurant. There is documented evidence that dining in bars in the South have resulted in hundreds of cases of COVID transmission, while at the same time there are few documented cases of COVID transmission related to outdoor dining in CA over the summer. For the second one: 0. There have been 0 known instances of cast or crew getting COVID while on set, because upon reporting a single instance of a positive result, they require the cast/crew member to quarantine. In some cases, they have even shut down production for the quarantine period to prevent spread, see, e.g., The Batman.
    - imgabe 6y ago
      If there are reports of people testing positive on the set, how do you know it wasn't transmitted on the set? People are saying they get tested every 3-4 days. If you get a positive test, that means there were up to 4 days the person was on set, potentially positive. 0, like absolutely no instances of anyone every contracting the virus on a set does not make sense with those circumstances.
      - gamblor956 6y ago
        Yes, if you start with the premise that everyone is only getting tested every 4 days, you would theoretically have that problem. I have several dozen friends in Hollywood working in broadcast, cable, streaming, and film. They are all being tested at least every other day using the rapid test (results within minutes), with a second rapid test within minutes if the first test is positive for covid. The last time any of them was tested as infrequently as every 3-4 days was back in September before cases started surging again. Right now, almost all of them are being tested daily. Compared to the costs of shutting down production for 2 weeks or more, daily testing is cheap. So, for someone to have caught COVID on set, someone else on set would have had to have (a) been infected, (b) been asymptomatic, (c) received multiple false negatives from the rapid-result test without any positives,(d) and received a negative on their most recent slow test. Can that happen? Sure. Has it happened? No. There are no reported incidents yet of multiple cast or crew members developing covid once they started working on set. While there have been incidents of multiple cast/crew members testing positive for covid, in all situations to date this involved cast or crew traveling to non-local filming locations, with symptoms showing up during the mandatory quarantine period for traveling cast/crew.
bestnameever 6y ago
The tables may be the same distance apart but is the seating? In the video I can only see one chair per table. It is also possible they don't allow people to sit at adjacent tables. I'm not saying this is the case, I'm just pointing out that a picture may not tell the entire story.

by imgabe 6y ago

gamblor956 6y ago

The risk profiles are completely different. Every single person eating on the film set has been tested regularly and continuously and is not permitted on set if they have an ambiguous or positive result. In the event of a positive result, they're not even permitted on set for at least a week until after the last positive result, even when followup tests suggest that the positive result may have been false positive. When on set, all crew and cast must wear masks at all times except when filming, in which case cast but not crew may remove their masks for the duration of the take. How often are the restaurant employees being tested? How often of the customers being tested? (For both questions, the answer is "not regularly, if at all".)

imgabe 6y ago
Testing is great, but that's not a measure of risk. For every 100 people who eat at a restaurant, how many get the virus? For every 100 people working on a film set how many get the virus? These are the numbers we should look at to compare one vs. the other.
- gamblor956 6y ago
  For the first one, it depends on the local population and the type of restaurant. There is documented evidence that dining in bars in the South have resulted in hundreds of cases of COVID transmission, while at the same time there are few documented cases of COVID transmission related to outdoor dining in CA over the summer. For the second one: 0. There have been 0 known instances of cast or crew getting COVID while on set, because upon reporting a single instance of a positive result, they require the cast/crew member to quarantine. In some cases, they have even shut down production for the quarantine period to prevent spread, see, e.g., The Batman.
  - imgabe 6y ago
    If there are reports of people testing positive on the set, how do you know it wasn't transmitted on the set? People are saying they get tested every 3-4 days. If you get a positive test, that means there were up to 4 days the person was on set, potentially positive. 0, like absolutely no instances of anyone every contracting the virus on a set does not make sense with those circumstances.
    - gamblor956 6y ago
      Yes, if you start with the premise that everyone is only getting tested every 4 days, you would theoretically have that problem. I have several dozen friends in Hollywood working in broadcast, cable, streaming, and film. They are all being tested at least every other day using the rapid test (results within minutes), with a second rapid test within minutes if the first test is positive for covid. The last time any of them was tested as infrequently as every 3-4 days was back in September before cases started surging again. Right now, almost all of them are being tested daily. Compared to the costs of shutting down production for 2 weeks or more, daily testing is cheap. So, for someone to have caught COVID on set, someone else on set would have had to have (a) been infected, (b) been asymptomatic, (c) received multiple false negatives from the rapid-result test without any positives,(d) and received a negative on their most recent slow test. Can that happen? Sure. Has it happened? No. There are no reported incidents yet of multiple cast or crew members developing covid once they started working on set. While there have been incidents of multiple cast/crew members testing positive for covid, in all situations to date this involved cast or crew traveling to non-local filming locations, with symptoms showing up during the mandatory quarantine period for traveling cast/crew.

bestnameever 6y ago

The tables may be the same distance apart but is the seating? In the video I can only see one chair per table. It is also possible they don't allow people to sit at adjacent tables. I'm not saying this is the case, I'm just pointing out that a picture may not tell the entire story.