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Alright, but why is it OK that TV and Film productions are allowed to operate and consume massive testing and PPE resources while other non-essential activities

by danhak 6y ago

Alright, but why is it OK that TV and Film productions are allowed to operate and consume massive testing and PPE resources while other non-essential activities are prohibited?

graeme 6y ago
Edit: I mean indoors in their own home rather than socializing indoors elsewhere. I’m a big advocate of walks. ————————- They produce shows that keep people inside? The cost benefit is enormous. The same argument applies to things like vaccinations for sports. A fairly small number of people will keep millions of others indoors over the winter.
- imgabe 6y ago
  The virus dies almost immediately in sunlight. There's also a strong inverse correlation between Vitamin D levels and the severity of the illness. Keeping people indoors, breathing recirculated air with no sun all winter is practically the opposite of what we should be doing.
  - emiliobumachar 6y ago
    Everyone gotta sleep, they get exposed to whoever they're sleeping with. If everyone stays home, not just indoors, their extra exposure is very small.
  - graeme 6y ago
    You can’t get vitamin D from the sun in much of north america right now. And people generally don’t socialize outside of their household when watching TV. Sunlight is great! But socializing indoors is what spreads the virus. America is not reknowned for being a land where everyone was outdoors in the sunshine in normal times: vitamin D deficiency was already rampant. And going for a walk is not exclusionary to TV. In places where it is present you can get enough vitamin D with 30-60 min sun exposure.
    - imgabe 6y ago
      > You can’t get vitamin D from the sun in much of north america right now. Not even in LA? > And going for a walk is not exclusionary to TV. No, it's not. But the argument was that TV encourages people to stay inside, which it does. If it's ok for people to go for walks, maybe it is not vitally important that we produce new TV shows right now.
      - graeme 6y ago
        Probably not that much in LA right now. My vitamin D app isn’t letting me change locations, but anywhere north of the 37th parallel gets zero vitamin D in winter, and even places like LA would get much less. Plus people watch TV in the evening. You can’t get vitamin D in the evening. I’m a huge advocate of walks and getting outside! My point is TV is a substitute for socializing, and America needs less socializing now. https://www.health.harvard.edu/staying-healthy/time-for-more-vitamin-d https://www.health.harvard.edu/staying-healthy/time-for-more...
  - lgessler 6y ago
    GP means going-to-other-indoors-places outside, not outside outside
masklinn 6y ago
Because the US has long ago decided that being a society wasn't something they were interested in, therefore the testing & PPE resources on the open market and handed out through the sole benevolence of the Invisible Hand of Having More Money than You, and TV and Film productions are able to acquire them, and operate. "Other non-essential activities", not having the means to acquire these resources and implement these protocols, get to not operate.
- emiliobumachar 6y ago
  Is that actually a fact? Are they outbidding everyone else - and potentially could be outbid themselves next time, by someone even richer? Or is someone allocating tests to them regardless of someone else's willingness to pay more? Is auctioning off tests even legal despite price-gouging laws? Any links?
eckmLJE 6y ago
I would think because the organizers of these typical activities lack the resources or customer compliance to pull off as strict a regime as described above.
- nostromo 6y ago
  No, it's because Hollywood can pull strings in Sacramento. It's crazy how much weight Hollywood has in this country. Hollywood can open doors sometimes that even Apple and Google cannot, even though the entertainment industry is tiny compared to tech. I believe it's because politicians get star-struck. Just look at how many celebrities visited the white house in years past. It's insane how much access they have to the highest levels of government.
  - mitchdoogle 6y ago
    I would count that access as part of their resources, which the poster above you mentioned
  - gamblor956 6y ago
    No, it has nothing to do with star power or celebrity. It's because the studios are willing to spend lots of money and implement extremely strict protocols so that they can keep filming, because if they don't they will literally go bankrupt and die. And because the studios and the crew depend on filming for their economic survival, everyone involved is willing to do what it takes. I have friends who work in Hollywood. They're not allowed to socialize when they're working on set, nor for the two week period before they start working on set. They can't use public transportation. They can't visit friends or families for Thanksgiving or Christmas. They must get tested multiple times a week: a rapid test nearly every day (or every day for some sets), and the regular test at least every two weeks. The stricter sets won't even let crew go to the groceries when they're off set; they must use Instacart or limit themselves to eating at the crew stations on set. When traveling, they must stay in lodging provided by the studios, usually AirBnbs because hotels are too risky.
    - throwaway201103 6y ago
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bromonkey 6y ago
Because they pay for the testing. A restaurant will not (it would serve no purpose to find out 1-3 days later that someone had covid.) Furthermore the people working on films are employees of a studio that are contractually required to uphold the measures they agree to or they can lose their jobs. A restaurant has no such agreement with their customers.
bestnameever 6y ago
I think we would be in a different situation if we saw people consuming massive testing and ppe resources while operating other non-essential activities. As far as I know, there is nothing preventing them from doing that beyond cost and time.

by danhak 6y ago

Alright, but why is it OK that TV and Film productions are allowed to operate and consume massive testing and PPE resources while other non-essential activities are prohibited?

graeme 6y ago

Edit: I mean indoors in their own home rather than socializing indoors elsewhere. I’m a big advocate of walks. ————————- They produce shows that keep people inside? The cost benefit is enormous. The same argument applies to things like vaccinations for sports. A fairly small number of people will keep millions of others indoors over the winter.

imgabe 6y ago
The virus dies almost immediately in sunlight. There's also a strong inverse correlation between Vitamin D levels and the severity of the illness. Keeping people indoors, breathing recirculated air with no sun all winter is practically the opposite of what we should be doing.
- emiliobumachar 6y ago
  Everyone gotta sleep, they get exposed to whoever they're sleeping with. If everyone stays home, not just indoors, their extra exposure is very small.
- graeme 6y ago
  You can’t get vitamin D from the sun in much of north america right now. And people generally don’t socialize outside of their household when watching TV. Sunlight is great! But socializing indoors is what spreads the virus. America is not reknowned for being a land where everyone was outdoors in the sunshine in normal times: vitamin D deficiency was already rampant. And going for a walk is not exclusionary to TV. In places where it is present you can get enough vitamin D with 30-60 min sun exposure.
  - imgabe 6y ago
    > You can’t get vitamin D from the sun in much of north america right now. Not even in LA? > And going for a walk is not exclusionary to TV. No, it's not. But the argument was that TV encourages people to stay inside, which it does. If it's ok for people to go for walks, maybe it is not vitally important that we produce new TV shows right now.
    - graeme 6y ago
      Probably not that much in LA right now. My vitamin D app isn’t letting me change locations, but anywhere north of the 37th parallel gets zero vitamin D in winter, and even places like LA would get much less. Plus people watch TV in the evening. You can’t get vitamin D in the evening. I’m a huge advocate of walks and getting outside! My point is TV is a substitute for socializing, and America needs less socializing now. https://www.health.harvard.edu/staying-healthy/time-for-more-vitamin-d https://www.health.harvard.edu/staying-healthy/time-for-more...
- lgessler 6y ago
  GP means going-to-other-indoors-places outside, not outside outside

masklinn 6y ago

Because the US has long ago decided that being a society wasn't something they were interested in, therefore the testing & PPE resources on the open market and handed out through the sole benevolence of the Invisible Hand of Having More Money than You, and TV and Film productions are able to acquire them, and operate. "Other non-essential activities", not having the means to acquire these resources and implement these protocols, get to not operate.

emiliobumachar 6y ago
Is that actually a fact? Are they outbidding everyone else - and potentially could be outbid themselves next time, by someone even richer? Or is someone allocating tests to them regardless of someone else's willingness to pay more? Is auctioning off tests even legal despite price-gouging laws? Any links?

eckmLJE 6y ago

I would think because the organizers of these typical activities lack the resources or customer compliance to pull off as strict a regime as described above.

nostromo 6y ago
No, it's because Hollywood can pull strings in Sacramento. It's crazy how much weight Hollywood has in this country. Hollywood can open doors sometimes that even Apple and Google cannot, even though the entertainment industry is tiny compared to tech. I believe it's because politicians get star-struck. Just look at how many celebrities visited the white house in years past. It's insane how much access they have to the highest levels of government.
- mitchdoogle 6y ago
  I would count that access as part of their resources, which the poster above you mentioned
- gamblor956 6y ago
  No, it has nothing to do with star power or celebrity. It's because the studios are willing to spend lots of money and implement extremely strict protocols so that they can keep filming, because if they don't they will literally go bankrupt and die. And because the studios and the crew depend on filming for their economic survival, everyone involved is willing to do what it takes. I have friends who work in Hollywood. They're not allowed to socialize when they're working on set, nor for the two week period before they start working on set. They can't use public transportation. They can't visit friends or families for Thanksgiving or Christmas. They must get tested multiple times a week: a rapid test nearly every day (or every day for some sets), and the regular test at least every two weeks. The stricter sets won't even let crew go to the groceries when they're off set; they must use Instacart or limit themselves to eating at the crew stations on set. When traveling, they must stay in lodging provided by the studios, usually AirBnbs because hotels are too risky.
  - throwaway201103 6y ago

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bromonkey 6y ago

Because they pay for the testing. A restaurant will not (it would serve no purpose to find out 1-3 days later that someone had covid.) Furthermore the people working on films are employees of a studio that are contractually required to uphold the measures they agree to or they can lose their jobs. A restaurant has no such agreement with their customers.

bestnameever 6y ago

I think we would be in a different situation if we saw people consuming massive testing and ppe resources while operating other non-essential activities. As far as I know, there is nothing preventing them from doing that beyond cost and time.