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How come people in Sweden don't use masks, run their lives normally and their Covid statistics are better than the ones in the USA? Turns out the Swedish decla

How come people in Sweden don't use masks, run their lives normally and their Covid statistics are better than the ones in the USA? Turns out the Swedish declared they didn't know how to deal with Covid, and by not knowing they decided the best course of action was to do nothing as far as lockdowns and other authoritarian measures were concerned.

mikeyouse 6y ago
Turns out Sweden has completely abandoned their Laissez Faire attitude in the face of a >4x death rate and very little economic improvement compared to their neighboring countries. They’re instituting large gathering bans, closing schools, instituting curfews on bars and clubs, they’re just doing it months later than was reasonable. http://www.foxnews.com/world/swedens-pandemic-experiment-ends-spiking-coronavirus-cases http://www.foxnews.com/world/swedens-pandemic-experiment-end... Or more directly, a chart that says more than most articles: https://si-wsj-net.cdn.ampproject.org/i/s/si.wsj.net/public/resources/images/OG-FJ251_SWEDEN_4U_20201206073151.png https://si-wsj-net.cdn.ampproject.org/i/s/si.wsj.net/public/...
- Camas 6y ago
  "Completely abandoned" here being used to mean still much more permissive than most western countries.
- marcell 6y ago
  Alternate perspective is that their excess mortality has been average since the middle of summer, and is not spiking as of right now. This site https://www.euromomo.eu/ https://www.euromomo.eu/ lets you compare all this data by country.
hansvm 6y ago
Some stats are better and some aren't, but are you really saying that the reason some stats are better is _because_ they didn't do anything?
kelchm 6y ago
They didn’t do “nothing”. They gave guidance based on the data that was available and allowed individuals to make their own decisions on what course of action was best for them. A large subset of the population in the US is (rightly IMO) not okay with their state or local government dictating what businesses are forced to close or imposing restrictions that effectively put them out of business. By approaching the situation in this way it’s only further politicized the issue. I worry what will happen when something worse than COVID-19 comes in the future.
asdfadsfgfdda 6y ago
The obesity rate could explain a lot, obesity is a major factor in covid risk. USA obesity rate is 40%, Sweden is 10%.
hue3 6y ago
> Let people die, that will solve the situation; the fewer people alive, the fewer people will get COVID. Outstanding thinking by the Swedish government! /s

mikeyouse 6y ago

Turns out Sweden has completely abandoned their Laissez Faire attitude in the face of a >4x death rate and very little economic improvement compared to their neighboring countries. They’re instituting large gathering bans, closing schools, instituting curfews on bars and clubs, they’re just doing it months later than was reasonable. http://www.foxnews.com/world/swedens-pandemic-experiment-ends-spiking-coronavirus-cases http://www.foxnews.com/world/swedens-pandemic-experiment-end... Or more directly, a chart that says more than most articles: https://si-wsj-net.cdn.ampproject.org/i/s/si.wsj.net/public/resources/images/OG-FJ251_SWEDEN_4U_20201206073151.png https://si-wsj-net.cdn.ampproject.org/i/s/si.wsj.net/public/...

Camas 6y ago
"Completely abandoned" here being used to mean still much more permissive than most western countries.
marcell 6y ago
Alternate perspective is that their excess mortality has been average since the middle of summer, and is not spiking as of right now. This site https://www.euromomo.eu/ https://www.euromomo.eu/ lets you compare all this data by country.

hansvm 6y ago

Some stats are better and some aren't, but are you really saying that the reason some stats are better is _because_ they didn't do anything?

kelchm 6y ago

They didn’t do “nothing”. They gave guidance based on the data that was available and allowed individuals to make their own decisions on what course of action was best for them. A large subset of the population in the US is (rightly IMO) not okay with their state or local government dictating what businesses are forced to close or imposing restrictions that effectively put them out of business. By approaching the situation in this way it’s only further politicized the issue. I worry what will happen when something worse than COVID-19 comes in the future.

asdfadsfgfdda 6y ago

The obesity rate could explain a lot, obesity is a major factor in covid risk. USA obesity rate is 40%, Sweden is 10%.

hue3 6y ago

> Let people die, that will solve the situation; the fewer people alive, the fewer people will get COVID. Outstanding thinking by the Swedish government! /s