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The video shows that for one hour, ballots were illegally counted without any observers allowed in the room. Trump's path to victory is described by Praying Me

The video shows that for one hour, ballots were illegally counted without any observers allowed in the room. Trump's path to victory is described by Praying Medic: https://prayingmedic.com/2020/11/27/the-crisis-is-over-im-returning-to-normal/ https://prayingmedic.com/2020/11/27/the-crisis-is-over-im-re... You once wrote: States can't change their rules for certification of electors without a governor's signature. If a state tried to pull some nonsense like changing the selection of electors away from the process as encoded in law before Nov. 3, that'd be new law and (a) would require a governor's signature or a veto-proof majority and (b) may actually be ex-post-facto if the current law is structured such that it declares how electors related to the votes cast on Nov. 3, so could be stopped by state courts. [1] But Praying Medic counters your argument with a citation from the SCOTUS ruling in Bush v. Gore. Chief Justice Rehnquist summed it up: "Or put differently, when the legislature acted pursuant to the power granted to it by Article II, it stands above any limits imposed by state law." If it goes to SCOTUS again, the five conservative justices will likely follow the Constitution. All that has been needed to be done was that there was enough election fraud demonstrated that state legislators could feel they are not required to honor the popular vote when choosing electors, because the popular vote, as counted, is not reflective of the will of the people. I told you 23 days ago this was Trump's strategy: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25078993 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25078993 Pennsylvania, Georgia, Michigan, Wisconsin, and Arizona will all send electors for Trump, giving him more than 270. Edit: And, you can be sure they will be arresting everyone involved in the fraud, right after they impose martial law to round them up. 1. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25079610 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25079610

shadowgovt 6y ago
Praying Medic misunderstands Bush v Gore. SCOTUS took the extraordinary step in that ruling of declaring the circumstances so unique that the case should not be cited as common-law precedent. Anyone citing it has to explain why the Court should disregard SCOTUS's own guidance not to cite it. Even if they do, its particulars don't generally apply to the cases the Trump campaign is bringing (https://theconversation.com/trumps-pennsylvania-lawsuits-invoke-bush-v-gore-but-the-supreme-court-probably-wont-decide-the-2020-election-149538 https://theconversation.com/trumps-pennsylvania-lawsuits-inv...). Imposing martial law would simply be the death of American democracy, not some master chess move. I don't dispute the President could try. I doubt it would succeed (if it came down to it, plenty of generals see him as a tyrant and would follow their oath to uphold the Constitution, not a President in breach of his oath), and it renders all this discussion irrelevant because it's a suspension of Constitutional law. But it proves nothing. We'd just be another nation where a tyrant tried military force to keep his power illegitimately. Sowing doubt in the legitimate process to justify a power grab is right out of the playbook. It's sad that you're falling for it, but there were suckers who supported Hitler too. Every modern dictator claims they're upholding the will of the people. Every modern dictator drums up a secret conspiracy opposed to the people to justify their extraordinary measures.
- Fjolsvith 6y ago
  > Praying Medic misunderstands Bush v Gore. SCOTUS took the extraordinary step in that ruling of declaring the circumstances so unique that the case should not be cited as common-law precedent. Anyone citing it has to explain why the Court should disregard SCOTUS's own guidance not to cite it. Even if they do, its particulars don't generally apply to the cases the Trump campaign is bringing Bush v Gore isn't intended to apply in the cases the Trump campaign is bringing. It will apply to cases brought against state legislatures by Democrats. However, those cases will be too late to change anything. > Imposing martial law would simply be the death of American democracy, not some master chess move. But, blue states and cities are already under martial law, and most Americans can see it. The Insurrection act will end up invoked, like it has been in the past. > We'd just be another nation where a tyrant tried military force to keep his power illegitimately. Sowing doubt in the legitimate process to justify a power grab is right out of the playbook. Yet, conservatives see it the other way, where a dictator tried fraud, sedition and treason to seize power illegitimately. Doubt in the legitimate process started the moment election observers were ordered to leave, when counting was stopped the night of Nov. 3rd. Its only a conspiracy theory until proven. I'm not telling you what should happen, I'm telling you to prepare yourself, because this will happen.
  - shadowgovt 6y ago
    It wouldn't be the first time a population is gripped by a conspiracy theory explaining their woes with fantasy instead of fact. Again, Germany before World War II. That doesn't make it right or just, and if it happens, the people that history will recognize as the freedom fighters will be ones who take up arms against it. I don't see it as guaranteed as you seem to, possibly because I'm not watching conspiracy theorists at the level you seem to be. In the real world, while it's illegal to say so because military law prevents denigrating the commander-in-chief, 2/3 of the military hates Trump's guts and will not follow his orders if he tells them to turn guns on citizens nationwide. And were it to happen, the military at the federal level would be fighting the various national guards, because there's no way governors of most states will cede that power. > It's only a conspiracy theory until proven Conspiracy theories are never proven, that's what makes them conspiracy theories. They make wrong predictions and then move the goal posts when those predictions don't come to fruition. in this case, it's the same conspiracy that believed there was a pedophilia ring operating out of the basement of a pizza parlor with no basement. I'll be interested, academically, to see how QAnon moves the goal posts yet again when the Supreme Court refrains from hearing the petitions to throw out Pennsylvania votes.

shadowgovt 6y ago

Praying Medic misunderstands Bush v Gore. SCOTUS took the extraordinary step in that ruling of declaring the circumstances so unique that the case should not be cited as common-law precedent. Anyone citing it has to explain why the Court should disregard SCOTUS's own guidance not to cite it. Even if they do, its particulars don't generally apply to the cases the Trump campaign is bringing (https://theconversation.com/trumps-pennsylvania-lawsuits-invoke-bush-v-gore-but-the-supreme-court-probably-wont-decide-the-2020-election-149538 https://theconversation.com/trumps-pennsylvania-lawsuits-inv...). Imposing martial law would simply be the death of American democracy, not some master chess move. I don't dispute the President could try. I doubt it would succeed (if it came down to it, plenty of generals see him as a tyrant and would follow their oath to uphold the Constitution, not a President in breach of his oath), and it renders all this discussion irrelevant because it's a suspension of Constitutional law. But it proves nothing. We'd just be another nation where a tyrant tried military force to keep his power illegitimately. Sowing doubt in the legitimate process to justify a power grab is right out of the playbook. It's sad that you're falling for it, but there were suckers who supported Hitler too. Every modern dictator claims they're upholding the will of the people. Every modern dictator drums up a secret conspiracy opposed to the people to justify their extraordinary measures.

Fjolsvith 6y ago
> Praying Medic misunderstands Bush v Gore. SCOTUS took the extraordinary step in that ruling of declaring the circumstances so unique that the case should not be cited as common-law precedent. Anyone citing it has to explain why the Court should disregard SCOTUS's own guidance not to cite it. Even if they do, its particulars don't generally apply to the cases the Trump campaign is bringing Bush v Gore isn't intended to apply in the cases the Trump campaign is bringing. It will apply to cases brought against state legislatures by Democrats. However, those cases will be too late to change anything. > Imposing martial law would simply be the death of American democracy, not some master chess move. But, blue states and cities are already under martial law, and most Americans can see it. The Insurrection act will end up invoked, like it has been in the past. > We'd just be another nation where a tyrant tried military force to keep his power illegitimately. Sowing doubt in the legitimate process to justify a power grab is right out of the playbook. Yet, conservatives see it the other way, where a dictator tried fraud, sedition and treason to seize power illegitimately. Doubt in the legitimate process started the moment election observers were ordered to leave, when counting was stopped the night of Nov. 3rd. Its only a conspiracy theory until proven. I'm not telling you what should happen, I'm telling you to prepare yourself, because this will happen.
- shadowgovt 6y ago
  It wouldn't be the first time a population is gripped by a conspiracy theory explaining their woes with fantasy instead of fact. Again, Germany before World War II. That doesn't make it right or just, and if it happens, the people that history will recognize as the freedom fighters will be ones who take up arms against it. I don't see it as guaranteed as you seem to, possibly because I'm not watching conspiracy theorists at the level you seem to be. In the real world, while it's illegal to say so because military law prevents denigrating the commander-in-chief, 2/3 of the military hates Trump's guts and will not follow his orders if he tells them to turn guns on citizens nationwide. And were it to happen, the military at the federal level would be fighting the various national guards, because there's no way governors of most states will cede that power. > It's only a conspiracy theory until proven Conspiracy theories are never proven, that's what makes them conspiracy theories. They make wrong predictions and then move the goal posts when those predictions don't come to fruition. in this case, it's the same conspiracy that believed there was a pedophilia ring operating out of the basement of a pizza parlor with no basement. I'll be interested, academically, to see how QAnon moves the goal posts yet again when the Supreme Court refrains from hearing the petitions to throw out Pennsylvania votes.