The paradox is "pressure to keep civil" to you may not be the same to me. Numorous times trying to call out someone not civil will put you in the not civil cate

The paradox is "pressure to keep civil" to you may not be the same to me. Numorous times trying to call out someone not civil will put you in the not civil category. That's why systems like HN aren't necessarily encouraging of open discourse. Many don't want to get judged, and judging is all many do, downvoting based on rhetoric and neuance (or lack thereof). And, the achilles heel is the downvote as the not-civil vote, except there is no discourse because you can't reply to a downvote.