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> Make no mistake, this is simply Apple's attempt to gain complete control over its users. This is unfair and just not true. It is known that apple products c

> Make no mistake, this is simply Apple's attempt to gain complete control over its users. This is unfair and just not true. It is known that apple products can be rendered useless after being stolen easily by the original owner. Yes, they still get stolen, but it is a really nice feature that you can wipe the data remotely and mark the device as lost / stolen. You also know the thief will mostly be stuck with a low-value device that is all but useless without some sort of jailbreak or scam to resell it. Of course, this feature has tradeoffs, and some of them are negative for some people (like the OP sneak). Maybe it helps Apple "gain complete control" over users, but you are gonna need more evidence to support that claim. To completely ignore the positive aspects is not contributing anything at all w/ these sorts of discussion.

userbinator 6y ago
Maybe it helps Apple "gain complete control" over users, but you are gonna need more evidence to support that claim. The claims made in the article and their long history of locking down their systems against the user and fighting right-to-repair aren't enough evidence? Apple wants you to consume when they tell you to, and if you don't they can simply brick your hardware and leave you SOL.
- rsanheim 6y ago
  my point was that its not that simple, and you sound like a zealot. Apple's main focus has always been about creating an amazing experience for humans via Apple computers and devices. Thats it. The hardware is secondary and the expandability is secondary. How that has played has changed over time and depending on the context (ex: the original Mac Pro or even the first Macs), but allowing someone to add all the ram and storage has never been at the forefront of apple's vision. There are clearly billions of people who are okay with giving up 'control' over their devices and data, whether its apple or amazon or google. I know my windows machine nags me every time I restart to phone home to MS and setup some account, and that's not even a reinstall. My android device asks for a google login at like step 3 of the setup process. Sure, I can bypass it, cuz I don't care and they aren't my primary machines, but most people will not. Most people don't care if their laptop or phone phones home when it needs to be reset, as long as it works and makes them happy. Most people (I would guess 99%+) don't repair their devices beyond fixing a cracked screen or maybe adding RAM or a new GPU to a prebuilt gaming PC. How many folks can even dismantle and work on a modern phone with any success, whether Android or iOS? Some people think about privacy and ads and surveillance wrt technology. I know I do. I see that Apple does things that can serve multiple interests at the same time, and it isn't so black and white: * they want to sell a shit load of services and hardware and continue to make crazy amounts of money * they see that privacy is slowly (but surely) becoming a thing people want, especially those w/ the dollars and more tech savvy. So they are focusing on privacy with their products, and that is real. No matter how much apple haters love to call out counter examples, they are making a real effort - look at Siri and iMessage and Apple Maps. * they also want do deliver an amazing experience to people - I know I don't need to explain how security and user experience are often in conflict. Ignoring all these factors at play here is missing the bigger picture.
webmobdev 6y ago
> You also know the thief will mostly be stuck with a low-value device that is all but useless without some sort of jailbreak or scam to resell it. (1) Jailbreak is a feature for many who consider it a way to free their iDevices from Apples's iron clutches. (2) And I used to think too that remote locking the device makes it less viable for thieves. Turns out that's a fallacy because they are doing what some automobile theives do now - strip it and sell the parts. (And thanks to Apple's exorbitant prices for its parts and suing most "unauthorized" sellers / suppliers, that's a lucrative market too.)

userbinator 6y ago

Maybe it helps Apple "gain complete control" over users, but you are gonna need more evidence to support that claim. The claims made in the article and their long history of locking down their systems against the user and fighting right-to-repair aren't enough evidence? Apple wants you to consume when they tell you to, and if you don't they can simply brick your hardware and leave you SOL.

rsanheim 6y ago
my point was that its not that simple, and you sound like a zealot. Apple's main focus has always been about creating an amazing experience for humans via Apple computers and devices. Thats it. The hardware is secondary and the expandability is secondary. How that has played has changed over time and depending on the context (ex: the original Mac Pro or even the first Macs), but allowing someone to add all the ram and storage has never been at the forefront of apple's vision. There are clearly billions of people who are okay with giving up 'control' over their devices and data, whether its apple or amazon or google. I know my windows machine nags me every time I restart to phone home to MS and setup some account, and that's not even a reinstall. My android device asks for a google login at like step 3 of the setup process. Sure, I can bypass it, cuz I don't care and they aren't my primary machines, but most people will not. Most people don't care if their laptop or phone phones home when it needs to be reset, as long as it works and makes them happy. Most people (I would guess 99%+) don't repair their devices beyond fixing a cracked screen or maybe adding RAM or a new GPU to a prebuilt gaming PC. How many folks can even dismantle and work on a modern phone with any success, whether Android or iOS? Some people think about privacy and ads and surveillance wrt technology. I know I do. I see that Apple does things that can serve multiple interests at the same time, and it isn't so black and white: * they want to sell a shit load of services and hardware and continue to make crazy amounts of money * they see that privacy is slowly (but surely) becoming a thing people want, especially those w/ the dollars and more tech savvy. So they are focusing on privacy with their products, and that is real. No matter how much apple haters love to call out counter examples, they are making a real effort - look at Siri and iMessage and Apple Maps. * they also want do deliver an amazing experience to people - I know I don't need to explain how security and user experience are often in conflict. Ignoring all these factors at play here is missing the bigger picture.

webmobdev 6y ago

> You also know the thief will mostly be stuck with a low-value device that is all but useless without some sort of jailbreak or scam to resell it. (1) Jailbreak is a feature for many who consider it a way to free their iDevices from Apples's iron clutches. (2) And I used to think too that remote locking the device makes it less viable for thieves. Turns out that's a fallacy because they are doing what some automobile theives do now - strip it and sell the parts. (And thanks to Apple's exorbitant prices for its parts and suing most "unauthorized" sellers / suppliers, that's a lucrative market too.)