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The death rate is low because we have managed to keep it somewhat under control. If the ICUs fill up, the death rate for all age groups will greatly increase.

by cbsks 6y ago

nickthemagicman 6y ago
They've been saying hospitals are going to fill up for almost a year and they haven't. Didn't happen in Houston, didn't happen in Miami even after the news media spread all kind of fear based reporting about it. The heads of all the major hospitals in Houston got together and did a press conference to dispel the false press. Hospitals also havent filled up in numerous places with virtually no Covid restrictions like Sweden. The flat curvers are looking to be as wrong as the flat earthers. I'd also like to see stats on hospitalization and age that you casually threw out there. Only 500 people died of Covid under the age of 24 while over 200,000 have died above the age of 55. It would stand to reason that hospitalization stats are wildly skewed towards the older generations.
- EdwardCoffin 6y ago
  From The U.S. Has Passed the Hospital Breaking Point in The Atlantic [1]: In South Dakota, a network of 37 hospitals reported sending more than 150 people home with oxygen tanks to keep beds open for even sicker patients. A hospital in Amarillo, Texas, reported that COVID-19 patients are waiting in the emergency room for beds to become available. Some patients in Laredo, Texas, were sent to hospitals in San Antonio—until that city stopped accepting transfers. Elsewhere in Texas, patients were sent to Oklahoma, but hospitals there have also tightened their admission criteria. [1] https://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2020/12/the-worst-case-scenario-is-happening-hospitals-are-overwhelmed/617301/ https://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2020/12/the-worst... Edit: typesetting
  - nickthemagicman 6y ago
    The Atlantic was one of the media outlets that was drumming up fear that Houston was running out of room back in July and it never happened. Actually all of the heads of the hospital in Houston came together and said that was false reporting and there was plenty of capacity. https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.khou.com/amp/article/news/health/coronavirus/texas-medical-center-changes-online-icu-occupancy-presentation/285-96e305b6-3d13-40a3-951e-3561e9eb84a9 https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.khou.com/amp/article/news/h... The Atlantic has been drumming up fear about Covid this entire time with numerous fear-mongering articles. Just look at the headlines of the Atlantics reporting of Covid. Everything is dire or a disaster or a death knell. Super sensationalist. The Atlantic has become the NY Post and they're probably making tons of money with fear-based articles. https://www.theatlantic.com/category/coronavirus-covid-19/ https://www.theatlantic.com/category/coronavirus-covid-19/ I would love a real actual data set. The news media is not a scientific reference to me. It actually scares me that ppl use the news media as a scientific reference.
    - disabled 6y ago
      > The Atlantic was one of the media outlets that was drumming up fear that Houston was running out of room back in July and it never happened. I call BS. I had a family member who was hospitalized in late June in Houston, for non-coronavirus reasons, at the #1 rated hospital in Texas for general medical care. They were literally hospitalized the night when our county judge put out the emergency alert on all mobile phones to stay home and isolate because the hospitals were going to go over capacity. The hospital was my family member was at was absolutely inundated. The pharmacy would hang up on the nurses because they were so swamped. Sometimes meals would come nearly 3 hours late. Nurse calls were not answered at times for over an hour. My family member was also hospitalized in October, for non-coronavirus reasons, and it was actually worse than in late June. These hospitals are basically now running two hospitals in one: a coronavirus hospital and a non-coronavirus hospital--that are not supposed to mix (everybody admitted to this hospital gets tested for coronavirus) but this still happens anyways. This is such a huge undertaking and requires tremendous amounts of work by all of the healthcare staff. Dude, you are being so disrespectful towards the people who are literally working non-stop under tremendous pressure. They are our last line of defense, for saving lives, and you are just totally blowing the whole situation off like it is no big deal.
      - nickthemagicman 6y ago
        So are the heads of the hospitals then apparently? https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.khou.com/amp/article/news/health/coronavirus/texas-medical-center-changes-online-icu-occupancy-presentation/285-96e305b6-3d13-40a3-951e-3561e9eb84a9 https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.khou.com/amp/article/news/h...
      - nickthemagicman 6y ago
        For future reference in your discussions anecdotal evidence is actually considered a logical fallacy. https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/anecdotal https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/anecdotal
rasz 6y ago
>If the ICUs fill up, the death rate for all age groups will greatly increase Can you explain the mechanism? Because hospitalization does _zero_ for survivability. We have no medicine that works, incubation turned out to straight up harm and kill patients. All you get at ICU is oxygen. You can get same thing at home. Two of my family members received portable units and isolated at home, third didnt get anything other than some pills for inflammation, last one stayed at the hospital and didnt receive anything other than oxygen and some random probably useless antibiotics. This is how it looked 8 months ago in Italy: "Italy Cremona https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rfkbv_WQtn0 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rfkbv_WQtn0 Italy Bergamo https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_suhYeWEcJg https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_suhYeWEcJg Two hospitals, not a single patient survived ventilation/ecmo to date" Those hospitals were accepting 100 patients per day, and simultaneously producing same amount of body bags.

The death rate is low because we have managed to keep it somewhat under control. If the ICUs fill up, the death rate for all age groups will greatly increase.

by cbsks 6y ago

The death rate is low because we have managed to keep it somewhat under control. If the ICUs fill up, the death rate for all age groups will greatly increase.

nickthemagicman 6y ago

They've been saying hospitals are going to fill up for almost a year and they haven't. Didn't happen in Houston, didn't happen in Miami even after the news media spread all kind of fear based reporting about it. The heads of all the major hospitals in Houston got together and did a press conference to dispel the false press. Hospitals also havent filled up in numerous places with virtually no Covid restrictions like Sweden. The flat curvers are looking to be as wrong as the flat earthers. I'd also like to see stats on hospitalization and age that you casually threw out there. Only 500 people died of Covid under the age of 24 while over 200,000 have died above the age of 55. It would stand to reason that hospitalization stats are wildly skewed towards the older generations.

EdwardCoffin 6y ago
From The U.S. Has Passed the Hospital Breaking Point in The Atlantic [1]: In South Dakota, a network of 37 hospitals reported sending more than 150 people home with oxygen tanks to keep beds open for even sicker patients. A hospital in Amarillo, Texas, reported that COVID-19 patients are waiting in the emergency room for beds to become available. Some patients in Laredo, Texas, were sent to hospitals in San Antonio—until that city stopped accepting transfers. Elsewhere in Texas, patients were sent to Oklahoma, but hospitals there have also tightened their admission criteria. [1] https://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2020/12/the-worst-case-scenario-is-happening-hospitals-are-overwhelmed/617301/ https://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2020/12/the-worst... Edit: typesetting
- nickthemagicman 6y ago
  The Atlantic was one of the media outlets that was drumming up fear that Houston was running out of room back in July and it never happened. Actually all of the heads of the hospital in Houston came together and said that was false reporting and there was plenty of capacity. https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.khou.com/amp/article/news/health/coronavirus/texas-medical-center-changes-online-icu-occupancy-presentation/285-96e305b6-3d13-40a3-951e-3561e9eb84a9 https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.khou.com/amp/article/news/h... The Atlantic has been drumming up fear about Covid this entire time with numerous fear-mongering articles. Just look at the headlines of the Atlantics reporting of Covid. Everything is dire or a disaster or a death knell. Super sensationalist. The Atlantic has become the NY Post and they're probably making tons of money with fear-based articles. https://www.theatlantic.com/category/coronavirus-covid-19/ https://www.theatlantic.com/category/coronavirus-covid-19/ I would love a real actual data set. The news media is not a scientific reference to me. It actually scares me that ppl use the news media as a scientific reference.
  - disabled 6y ago
    > The Atlantic was one of the media outlets that was drumming up fear that Houston was running out of room back in July and it never happened. I call BS. I had a family member who was hospitalized in late June in Houston, for non-coronavirus reasons, at the #1 rated hospital in Texas for general medical care. They were literally hospitalized the night when our county judge put out the emergency alert on all mobile phones to stay home and isolate because the hospitals were going to go over capacity. The hospital was my family member was at was absolutely inundated. The pharmacy would hang up on the nurses because they were so swamped. Sometimes meals would come nearly 3 hours late. Nurse calls were not answered at times for over an hour. My family member was also hospitalized in October, for non-coronavirus reasons, and it was actually worse than in late June. These hospitals are basically now running two hospitals in one: a coronavirus hospital and a non-coronavirus hospital--that are not supposed to mix (everybody admitted to this hospital gets tested for coronavirus) but this still happens anyways. This is such a huge undertaking and requires tremendous amounts of work by all of the healthcare staff. Dude, you are being so disrespectful towards the people who are literally working non-stop under tremendous pressure. They are our last line of defense, for saving lives, and you are just totally blowing the whole situation off like it is no big deal.
    - nickthemagicman 6y ago
      So are the heads of the hospitals then apparently? https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.khou.com/amp/article/news/health/coronavirus/texas-medical-center-changes-online-icu-occupancy-presentation/285-96e305b6-3d13-40a3-951e-3561e9eb84a9 https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.khou.com/amp/article/news/h...
    - nickthemagicman 6y ago
      For future reference in your discussions anecdotal evidence is actually considered a logical fallacy. https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/anecdotal https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/anecdotal

rasz 6y ago

>If the ICUs fill up, the death rate for all age groups will greatly increase Can you explain the mechanism? Because hospitalization does _zero_ for survivability. We have no medicine that works, incubation turned out to straight up harm and kill patients. All you get at ICU is oxygen. You can get same thing at home. Two of my family members received portable units and isolated at home, third didnt get anything other than some pills for inflammation, last one stayed at the hospital and didnt receive anything other than oxygen and some random probably useless antibiotics. This is how it looked 8 months ago in Italy: "Italy Cremona https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rfkbv_WQtn0 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rfkbv_WQtn0 Italy Bergamo https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_suhYeWEcJg https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_suhYeWEcJg Two hospitals, not a single patient survived ventilation/ecmo to date" Those hospitals were accepting 100 patients per day, and simultaneously producing same amount of body bags.