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There's only been around 20,000 Covid deaths this year in the under 55 age group this year. The under 55 age group is 80% of the population. That's less than ca

There's only been around 20,000 Covid deaths this year in the under 55 age group this year. The under 55 age group is 80% of the population. That's less than car accidents. So this is a disease that is very low risk for 80% of the American population. They have a right to be upset. https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid_weekly/ https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid_weekly/

warricksothr 6y ago
That’s a nice narrative, but for every one of those that died from C19 there are many that didn’t. Unlike a car accident, those that survived do contribute to the spread of the virus and expose people who are at higher risk of a far more fatal outcome. Additionally every person that contracts this has a chance of needing supplemental oxygen and an intensive care bed. These are already in short supply and the people to manage these intensive care facilities aren’t an infinite resource. It is just reckless to expose more people to this virus when we have vaccines on the way to inoculate the highest risk communities. While people certainly have a right to be upset, they don’t have a right to willfully endanger others.
- nickthemagicman 6y ago
  The thing is...if the vulnerable 20% of the population can't stay in quarantine... but 80% of the population is low risk...this is not societies problem anymore.. this is that 20%'s problem.
  - dTal 6y ago
    What's the upper limit on the percentage of people you're happy to throw under the bus? Are problems only problems if they affect 51% or more of the population?
    - nickthemagicman 6y ago
      You've got it wrong. The people being thrown under the bus are the people being sent into poverty because 20% of the population can't seem to stay in quarantine. Would you put 100 million people into poverty to save 1 life of a person who wants to go to Starbucks to get a Peppermint Mocha?
    - rasz 6y ago
      This is classic trolley problem.
      - nickthemagicman 6y ago
        This is literally the trolley problem haha.
kbrwn 6y ago
If this isn't over by summer 2021 it's time to quarantine the olds an allow the rest of citizens to return to normal life. We gave it a year. we can't go on expecting younger folks to give up all social life, development, sex and so on so old people can sit on Facebook alone at home or in nursing homes.
- callinOutLiars 6y ago
  The young and reckless are why it continues to spread. There have been numerous reports of frat parties and college keggers being super spreader events. They lack discipline.
  - nickthemagicman 6y ago
    Only 500 people have died of Covid in the under 24 crowd since Covid started. They have virtually no risk and they don't crowd hospitals because their symptoms are minimal. Maybe if the old people who are actually vulnerable to the disease stayed in quarantine instead of going to Starbucks...we could keep the economy going and keep deaths to a minimum and hospitals from overflowing. https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid_weekly/index.htm https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid_weekly/index.htm
  - scsilver 6y ago
    More "mature" person blames immature people acting immaturely. The only solution to that is time and experience...
- nickthemagicman 6y ago
  Exactly THIS!!!
- rasz 6y ago
  This could even work unless another genius governor sends covid patients straight to nursing homes, cough Cuomo cough https://eu.democratandchronicle.com/story/news/politics/albany/2020/06/23/cuomo-sending-covid-19-patients-nursing-homes-no-wasnt-mistake/3243385001/ https://eu.democratandchronicle.com/story/news/politics/alba...
cbsks 6y ago
The death rate is low because we have managed to keep it somewhat under control. If the ICUs fill up, the death rate for all age groups will greatly increase.
- nickthemagicman 6y ago
  They've been saying hospitals are going to fill up for almost a year and they haven't. Didn't happen in Houston, didn't happen in Miami even after the news media spread all kind of fear based reporting about it. The heads of all the major hospitals in Houston got together and did a press conference to dispel the false press. Hospitals also havent filled up in numerous places with virtually no Covid restrictions like Sweden. The flat curvers are looking to be as wrong as the flat earthers. I'd also like to see stats on hospitalization and age that you casually threw out there. Only 500 people died of Covid under the age of 24 while over 200,000 have died above the age of 55. It would stand to reason that hospitalization stats are wildly skewed towards the older generations.
  - EdwardCoffin 6y ago
    From The U.S. Has Passed the Hospital Breaking Point in The Atlantic [1]: In South Dakota, a network of 37 hospitals reported sending more than 150 people home with oxygen tanks to keep beds open for even sicker patients. A hospital in Amarillo, Texas, reported that COVID-19 patients are waiting in the emergency room for beds to become available. Some patients in Laredo, Texas, were sent to hospitals in San Antonio—until that city stopped accepting transfers. Elsewhere in Texas, patients were sent to Oklahoma, but hospitals there have also tightened their admission criteria. [1] https://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2020/12/the-worst-case-scenario-is-happening-hospitals-are-overwhelmed/617301/ https://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2020/12/the-worst... Edit: typesetting
    - nickthemagicman 6y ago
      The Atlantic was one of the media outlets that was drumming up fear that Houston was running out of room back in July and it never happened. Actually all of the heads of the hospital in Houston came together and said that was false reporting and there was plenty of capacity. https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.khou.com/amp/article/news/health/coronavirus/texas-medical-center-changes-online-icu-occupancy-presentation/285-96e305b6-3d13-40a3-951e-3561e9eb84a9 https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.khou.com/amp/article/news/h... The Atlantic has been drumming up fear about Covid this entire time with numerous fear-mongering articles. Just look at the headlines of the Atlantics reporting of Covid. Everything is dire or a disaster or a death knell. Super sensationalist. The Atlantic has become the NY Post and they're probably making tons of money with fear-based articles. https://www.theatlantic.com/category/coronavirus-covid-19/ https://www.theatlantic.com/category/coronavirus-covid-19/ I would love a real actual data set. The news media is not a scientific reference to me. It actually scares me that ppl use the news media as a scientific reference.

warricksothr 6y ago

That’s a nice narrative, but for every one of those that died from C19 there are many that didn’t. Unlike a car accident, those that survived do contribute to the spread of the virus and expose people who are at higher risk of a far more fatal outcome. Additionally every person that contracts this has a chance of needing supplemental oxygen and an intensive care bed. These are already in short supply and the people to manage these intensive care facilities aren’t an infinite resource. It is just reckless to expose more people to this virus when we have vaccines on the way to inoculate the highest risk communities. While people certainly have a right to be upset, they don’t have a right to willfully endanger others.

nickthemagicman 6y ago
The thing is...if the vulnerable 20% of the population can't stay in quarantine... but 80% of the population is low risk...this is not societies problem anymore.. this is that 20%'s problem.
- dTal 6y ago
  What's the upper limit on the percentage of people you're happy to throw under the bus? Are problems only problems if they affect 51% or more of the population?
  - nickthemagicman 6y ago
    You've got it wrong. The people being thrown under the bus are the people being sent into poverty because 20% of the population can't seem to stay in quarantine. Would you put 100 million people into poverty to save 1 life of a person who wants to go to Starbucks to get a Peppermint Mocha?
  - rasz 6y ago
    This is classic trolley problem.
    - nickthemagicman 6y ago
      This is literally the trolley problem haha.

kbrwn 6y ago

If this isn't over by summer 2021 it's time to quarantine the olds an allow the rest of citizens to return to normal life. We gave it a year. we can't go on expecting younger folks to give up all social life, development, sex and so on so old people can sit on Facebook alone at home or in nursing homes.

callinOutLiars 6y ago
The young and reckless are why it continues to spread. There have been numerous reports of frat parties and college keggers being super spreader events. They lack discipline.
- nickthemagicman 6y ago
  Only 500 people have died of Covid in the under 24 crowd since Covid started. They have virtually no risk and they don't crowd hospitals because their symptoms are minimal. Maybe if the old people who are actually vulnerable to the disease stayed in quarantine instead of going to Starbucks...we could keep the economy going and keep deaths to a minimum and hospitals from overflowing. https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid_weekly/index.htm https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid_weekly/index.htm
- scsilver 6y ago
  More "mature" person blames immature people acting immaturely. The only solution to that is time and experience...
nickthemagicman 6y ago
Exactly THIS!!!
rasz 6y ago
This could even work unless another genius governor sends covid patients straight to nursing homes, cough Cuomo cough https://eu.democratandchronicle.com/story/news/politics/albany/2020/06/23/cuomo-sending-covid-19-patients-nursing-homes-no-wasnt-mistake/3243385001/ https://eu.democratandchronicle.com/story/news/politics/alba...

cbsks 6y ago

The death rate is low because we have managed to keep it somewhat under control. If the ICUs fill up, the death rate for all age groups will greatly increase.

nickthemagicman 6y ago
They've been saying hospitals are going to fill up for almost a year and they haven't. Didn't happen in Houston, didn't happen in Miami even after the news media spread all kind of fear based reporting about it. The heads of all the major hospitals in Houston got together and did a press conference to dispel the false press. Hospitals also havent filled up in numerous places with virtually no Covid restrictions like Sweden. The flat curvers are looking to be as wrong as the flat earthers. I'd also like to see stats on hospitalization and age that you casually threw out there. Only 500 people died of Covid under the age of 24 while over 200,000 have died above the age of 55. It would stand to reason that hospitalization stats are wildly skewed towards the older generations.
- EdwardCoffin 6y ago
  From The U.S. Has Passed the Hospital Breaking Point in The Atlantic [1]: In South Dakota, a network of 37 hospitals reported sending more than 150 people home with oxygen tanks to keep beds open for even sicker patients. A hospital in Amarillo, Texas, reported that COVID-19 patients are waiting in the emergency room for beds to become available. Some patients in Laredo, Texas, were sent to hospitals in San Antonio—until that city stopped accepting transfers. Elsewhere in Texas, patients were sent to Oklahoma, but hospitals there have also tightened their admission criteria. [1] https://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2020/12/the-worst-case-scenario-is-happening-hospitals-are-overwhelmed/617301/ https://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2020/12/the-worst... Edit: typesetting
  - nickthemagicman 6y ago
    The Atlantic was one of the media outlets that was drumming up fear that Houston was running out of room back in July and it never happened. Actually all of the heads of the hospital in Houston came together and said that was false reporting and there was plenty of capacity. https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.khou.com/amp/article/news/health/coronavirus/texas-medical-center-changes-online-icu-occupancy-presentation/285-96e305b6-3d13-40a3-951e-3561e9eb84a9 https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.khou.com/amp/article/news/h... The Atlantic has been drumming up fear about Covid this entire time with numerous fear-mongering articles. Just look at the headlines of the Atlantics reporting of Covid. Everything is dire or a disaster or a death knell. Super sensationalist. The Atlantic has become the NY Post and they're probably making tons of money with fear-based articles. https://www.theatlantic.com/category/coronavirus-covid-19/ https://www.theatlantic.com/category/coronavirus-covid-19/ I would love a real actual data set. The news media is not a scientific reference to me. It actually scares me that ppl use the news media as a scientific reference.