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Consider using Devuan, the Debian variant which removes systemd. It is basically in sync with the current Debian, with only a minimum of packages changed for th

Consider using Devuan, the Debian variant which removes systemd. It is basically in sync with the current Debian, with only a minimum of packages changed for the systemd removal. https://www.devuan.org https://www.devuan.org The current release is Beowulf, corresponding to buster.

demux 6y ago
The website says Devuan let's you "reclaim control over their system by avoiding unnecessary entanglements", what's wrong with systemd?
- Arnavion 6y ago
  Please let's not start this discussion again, when it's been done to the death in other easily-searchable places on the internet before.
- remlov 6y ago
  Not much, but Unix purists would argue that systemd violates the Unix philosophy. https://lwn.net/Articles/777595/ https://lwn.net/Articles/777595/
- zozbot234 6y ago
  The (IMHO) best critique I'm aware of is at https://blog.darknedgy.net/technology/2020/05/02/0/ https://blog.darknedgy.net/technology/2020/05/02/0/ (discussed https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23062072 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23062072 )
- kevin_thibedeau 6y ago
  > what's wrong with systemd? It was written by a cowboy coder and issues have cropped up that indicate no serious code review has been performed.
- einpoklum 6y ago
  As others have said - I don't want to hijack this thread in favor of a systemd-yes-or-no argument. In fact, I made it a point not to use derogatory or inflammatory language in my post, and still got a bunch of downvotes. At this link: https://hn.algolia.com/?q=systemd https://hn.algolia.com/?q=systemd you will find stories involving systemd here on HN over the past several years. I and many others oppose various aspects of systemd, but more importantly, we oppose its being a nearly-inescapable default on Debian. It's not like you can just remove it if you want something else.

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Consider using Devuan, the Debian variant which removes systemd. It is basically in sync with the current Debian, with only a minimum of packages changed for th

by einpoklum 6y ago

demux 6y ago
The website says Devuan let's you "reclaim control over their system by avoiding unnecessary entanglements", what's wrong with systemd?
- Arnavion 6y ago
  Please let's not start this discussion again, when it's been done to the death in other easily-searchable places on the internet before.
- remlov 6y ago
  Not much, but Unix purists would argue that systemd violates the Unix philosophy. https://lwn.net/Articles/777595/ https://lwn.net/Articles/777595/
- zozbot234 6y ago
  The (IMHO) best critique I'm aware of is at https://blog.darknedgy.net/technology/2020/05/02/0/ https://blog.darknedgy.net/technology/2020/05/02/0/ (discussed https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23062072 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23062072 )
- kevin_thibedeau 6y ago
  > what's wrong with systemd? It was written by a cowboy coder and issues have cropped up that indicate no serious code review has been performed.
- einpoklum 6y ago
  As others have said - I don't want to hijack this thread in favor of a systemd-yes-or-no argument. In fact, I made it a point not to use derogatory or inflammatory language in my post, and still got a bunch of downvotes. At this link: https://hn.algolia.com/?q=systemd https://hn.algolia.com/?q=systemd you will find stories involving systemd here on HN over the past several years. I and many others oppose various aspects of systemd, but more importantly, we oppose its being a nearly-inescapable default on Debian. It's not like you can just remove it if you want something else.