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> I could imagine many people... Yes, that's the entire problem I've been encouraging you to stop doing. You don't need to imagine. It's an extremely well rese

> I could imagine many people... Yes, that's the entire problem I've been encouraging you to stop doing. You don't need to imagine. It's an extremely well researched subject. I was sincerely hoping you'd put a little work into the research yourself (like I asked you to) instead of continuing to create mental fantasies about why homelessness might happen. We already know why it happens. Without any cherry picking on my part, here are the top five search results from "causes of homelessness". Is it really going to surprise you that "lack of affordable housing" shows up over and over? When average rents goes from $1000 to $2300 in a few years, that's a specific example of "lack of affordable housing" isn't it? It's plain common sense that skyrocketing rents are going to put some people on the street. If you don't believe the articles, talk to some real homeless people, like I have during my volunteer work to help them. https://atlantamission.org/7-major-causes-homelessness/ https://atlantamission.org/7-major-causes-homelessness/ https://www.homelesshub.ca/about-homelessness/homelessness-101/causes-homelessness https://www.homelesshub.ca/about-homelessness/homelessness-1... https://endhomelessness.org/homelessness-in-america/what-causes-homelessness/ https://endhomelessness.org/homelessness-in-america/what-cau... https://www.solutionsfdl.com/resources/what-causes-homelessness/ https://www.solutionsfdl.com/resources/what-causes-homelessn... https://www.humanrightscareers.com/issues/root-causes-of-homelessness/ https://www.humanrightscareers.com/issues/root-causes-of-hom...

timeeater 6y ago
On the contrary, YOU should start thinking for yourself. All the articles you quoted merely repeat the same correlation of high housing prices and unemployment that started all the speculation. They don't give any insights at all, and they don't even mention rising rents as a cause (which was what we are actually discussing). Only the solutionsdfl site mentions "foreclosures" as a reason for more homelessness, without giving any numbers (like what percentage of homelessness is caused by it). And it doesn't say what caused the foreclosures. Does economic success in a region increase the number of foreclosures? Of course on a simple level, saying "lack of affordable housing" causes homelessness is true. If you could give everybody a free house, there would probably be less homeless people. However, that is also in itself a completely useless realization, as housing is not free and space is limited. And, more specifically, it was not what we were discussing. We were discussing the claim that rising economic success of a region caused rising homelessness there, by driving existing renters out of their homes. None of your articles provide any information regarding that claim.
- tchaffee 6y ago
  You're moving the goal posts. You asked for this: > If you are so well read, then provide some convincing evidence for your claims. None of the three links you provided tell us anything about the cause of homelessness. I gave you five articles listing the causes of homelessness. Now you're claiming the articles aren't enough. > If you could give everybody a free house, there would probably be less homeless people. In many cities they have in fact done this and it works pretty well. It's significantly cheaper than the hospital visits and the extra burden on the police force. You want to keep inventing theories out of your own imagination, while I have actual experience working with homeless people, in several major cities around the world. If you don't want to believe that gentrification in general and specifically rents going from $1000 to $2300 in a few years causes homelessness for those who were barely able to afford rent in the first place, that's certainly your choice. You can have the last word as I don't see this going in a useful direction.
  - timeeater 6y ago
    "I gave you five articles listing the causes of homelessness. Now you're claiming the articles aren't enough." Um yeah, because they are not? They don't say anything about rising rents causing homelessness, they only mention the same correlation you also mentioned (rich city has many homeless), which doesn't provide any causation. In fact most of them don't provide any evidence at all. Some web site claiming "x causes y" is not actually evidence for anything. "In many cities they have in fact done this and it works pretty well. It's significantly cheaper than the hospital visits and the extra burden on the police force." Sure, but that was not what we are discussing. We are discussing the claim that rising wealth increases homelessness. That's an entirely different question. In fact wealthy regions would probably be better able to provide free housing for homeless people than poor places. If you have actual experience working with homeless people, give us some real information.

timeeater 6y ago

On the contrary, YOU should start thinking for yourself. All the articles you quoted merely repeat the same correlation of high housing prices and unemployment that started all the speculation. They don't give any insights at all, and they don't even mention rising rents as a cause (which was what we are actually discussing). Only the solutionsdfl site mentions "foreclosures" as a reason for more homelessness, without giving any numbers (like what percentage of homelessness is caused by it). And it doesn't say what caused the foreclosures. Does economic success in a region increase the number of foreclosures? Of course on a simple level, saying "lack of affordable housing" causes homelessness is true. If you could give everybody a free house, there would probably be less homeless people. However, that is also in itself a completely useless realization, as housing is not free and space is limited. And, more specifically, it was not what we were discussing. We were discussing the claim that rising economic success of a region caused rising homelessness there, by driving existing renters out of their homes. None of your articles provide any information regarding that claim.

tchaffee 6y ago
You're moving the goal posts. You asked for this: > If you are so well read, then provide some convincing evidence for your claims. None of the three links you provided tell us anything about the cause of homelessness. I gave you five articles listing the causes of homelessness. Now you're claiming the articles aren't enough. > If you could give everybody a free house, there would probably be less homeless people. In many cities they have in fact done this and it works pretty well. It's significantly cheaper than the hospital visits and the extra burden on the police force. You want to keep inventing theories out of your own imagination, while I have actual experience working with homeless people, in several major cities around the world. If you don't want to believe that gentrification in general and specifically rents going from $1000 to $2300 in a few years causes homelessness for those who were barely able to afford rent in the first place, that's certainly your choice. You can have the last word as I don't see this going in a useful direction.
- timeeater 6y ago
  "I gave you five articles listing the causes of homelessness. Now you're claiming the articles aren't enough." Um yeah, because they are not? They don't say anything about rising rents causing homelessness, they only mention the same correlation you also mentioned (rich city has many homeless), which doesn't provide any causation. In fact most of them don't provide any evidence at all. Some web site claiming "x causes y" is not actually evidence for anything. "In many cities they have in fact done this and it works pretty well. It's significantly cheaper than the hospital visits and the extra burden on the police force." Sure, but that was not what we are discussing. We are discussing the claim that rising wealth increases homelessness. That's an entirely different question. In fact wealthy regions would probably be better able to provide free housing for homeless people than poor places. If you have actual experience working with homeless people, give us some real information.