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The US is a good example of that. The US has existed for 150 years with stable peace (not to say there has been 0 conflict, but it has existed as a single coher

The US is a good example of that. The US has existed for 150 years with stable peace (not to say there has been 0 conflict, but it has existed as a single coherent unit) and freedom to say and publish whatever you want. In contrast, every single nation that has a "stable peace" with speech restrictions has only been in this state since the end of world war 2, when they all destroyed each other, a defining characteristic of their evolution out of that state was freedom of expression, and many of the speech restrictions in many of those countries are relatively new or only recently enforced. Some countries with restrictions that claim to have a stable peace are currently involved in ethnic cleansing and internal armed conflict.

krapp 6y ago
>The US has existed for 150 years with stable peace (not to say there has been 0 conflict, but it has existed as a single coherent unit) and freedom to say and publish whatever you want. Untrue. The US has plenty of limits on what its citizens can say and publish[0]. [0]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_free_speech_exceptions https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_free_speech_exce...
- bccdee 6y ago
  For the most part, the restrictions there cover intentional deception, incitement to commit a crime, or speech acts of aggression such as harassment and threats. When we talk about "absolute freedom of speech," we mostly mean the free expression of any opinion, not the freedom to say literally anything.
  - krapp 6y ago
    >When we talk about "absolute freedom of speech," we mostly mean the free expression of any opinion, not the freedom to say literally anything. That's not what "absolute" means.
    - betwixthewires 6y ago
      You're creating a thing yourself to argue against and attributing that thing to people who disagree with you so that you can validate your point essentially against nobody.

krapp 6y ago

>The US has existed for 150 years with stable peace (not to say there has been 0 conflict, but it has existed as a single coherent unit) and freedom to say and publish whatever you want. Untrue. The US has plenty of limits on what its citizens can say and publish[0]. [0]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_free_speech_exceptions https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_free_speech_exce...

bccdee 6y ago
For the most part, the restrictions there cover intentional deception, incitement to commit a crime, or speech acts of aggression such as harassment and threats. When we talk about "absolute freedom of speech," we mostly mean the free expression of any opinion, not the freedom to say literally anything.
- krapp 6y ago
  >When we talk about "absolute freedom of speech," we mostly mean the free expression of any opinion, not the freedom to say literally anything. That's not what "absolute" means.
  - betwixthewires 6y ago
    You're creating a thing yourself to argue against and attributing that thing to people who disagree with you so that you can validate your point essentially against nobody.