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I think your predictions are 100% accurate, but I also think as the fleet becomes more self-driving and as streets and other public infrastructure are redesigne

by c22 6y ago

I think your predictions are 100% accurate, but I also think as the fleet becomes more self-driving and as streets and other public infrastructure are redesigned to accommodate the new paradigms I believe these problems around traffic, congestion, and safety will be solved eventually by automated vehicles. That is to say I believe human-driving is at a local maxima and it will take accepting a negative dip if we want to progress on this front.

bmitc 6y ago
I think I agree in that as the balance tips towards more self-driving cars on the road that it will be safer for them, but I also think that although the numbers of human drivers will be lowered, the likelihood of accidents might also increase unless humans adapt toward driving with self-driving cars. Transforming our roads towards better supporting automated vehicles through signs, markings, and other infrastructure does seem to be a natural conclusion to make it really work, but that all rests upon the assumption that these massive fleets of self-driving cars are required components of our future. We already have major issues maintaining the infrastructure on our roads. Fully transforming them will take a lot of time and money. I really think a more holistic approach is needed because self-driving cars will be solving a lot of problems, in hard ways, that are much more simply solved by (essentially automated) train, subway, trolley, and bus systems. Going all in on self-driving cars seems to be the wrong goal. We need to be thinking about how to transform our infrastructure and urban design to have the right solution in the right spot. I do think self-driving cars have a place in this, but simply slapping self-driving cars onto our existing car and road culture and design is not the right solution. I really worry about the U.S.' nature about letting corporations dictate where society goes. We're in this mess to begin with because of car corporations destroying public transportation in cities and requiring the new city designs to be built around cars. I think we'll continue to see corporations create solutions that generate more problems.

by c22 6y ago

bmitc 6y ago

I think I agree in that as the balance tips towards more self-driving cars on the road that it will be safer for them, but I also think that although the numbers of human drivers will be lowered, the likelihood of accidents might also increase unless humans adapt toward driving with self-driving cars. Transforming our roads towards better supporting automated vehicles through signs, markings, and other infrastructure does seem to be a natural conclusion to make it really work, but that all rests upon the assumption that these massive fleets of self-driving cars are required components of our future. We already have major issues maintaining the infrastructure on our roads. Fully transforming them will take a lot of time and money. I really think a more holistic approach is needed because self-driving cars will be solving a lot of problems, in hard ways, that are much more simply solved by (essentially automated) train, subway, trolley, and bus systems. Going all in on self-driving cars seems to be the wrong goal. We need to be thinking about how to transform our infrastructure and urban design to have the right solution in the right spot. I do think self-driving cars have a place in this, but simply slapping self-driving cars onto our existing car and road culture and design is not the right solution. I really worry about the U.S.' nature about letting corporations dictate where society goes. We're in this mess to begin with because of car corporations destroying public transportation in cities and requiring the new city designs to be built around cars. I think we'll continue to see corporations create solutions that generate more problems.