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> These technologies are long deprecated on Apple platforms. This doesn't matter to the user, who is still using apps like IntelliJ IDEs. To the end user, this

> These technologies are long deprecated on Apple platforms. This doesn't matter to the user, who is still using apps like IntelliJ IDEs. To the end user, this is a problem with MacOS, which does not allow GPU vendors to update their OpenGL drivers. Meanwhile, Ubuntu has far superior OpenGL performance and superior Vulkan performance on the same hardware. > It’s a lie to say “The software adds a 30% performance penalty on top” based on these results. You keep saying that, but you haven't explained why. MacOS is also twice as slow on git operations according to the benchmarks. Java2D and git are software that people use that are multiple times slower (not merely 30%) on the same hardware. > I’m not going to watch YouTube videos. Then I'll post text summarizing them. Android on midtier previous generation phones launches apps to interactivity faster than iOS running on latest generation hardware, and this has been the case for about ten years now. There are hundreds of videos on YouTube substantiating that. Edit to respond to below comment due to rate limiting: > YouTube videos, however many, are not a credible source of operating system performance claims. You can find YouTube videos supporting flat earth theories or that Obama is a lizard alien. The YouTube videos doen't say that Android is faster. They show that Android is faster. You seem to not understand the difference between people claiming things are true and people showing things are true. It's the same with the 30%. I showed a suite of benchmarks where MacOS is 30% slower on average. It was many times slower on a few specific benchmarks I called out. > If you are a heavy Java or OpenGL user, don’t by a Mac. I'm glad we can agree on that. You forgot heavy git users. Edit 2: > It creates a dishonest impression of the thread. How does replying with edits create a dishonest impression of the thread when I very clearly indicate which comment I am replying to? If you would like to respond normally, there is a very easy way to enable that. Simply upvote my comments to disable the rate limiting.

zepto 6y ago
If you are a heavy Java or OpenGL user, don’t buy a Mac. If you are running a git server farm, don’t use macs. If you are a developer using Git, you’ll be just fine. These just aren’t representative of most people’s experience. It’s a lie to say the software is 30% slower. It’s even a lie to say it’s 30% slower for an IntelliJ user. It’s only 30% slower on a narrow benchmark. YouTube videos, however many, are not a credible source of operating system performance claims. You can find YouTube videos supporting flat earth theories or that Obama is a lizard alien. If you can’t find any article anywhere substantiating your claim, I think we can conclude that it’s not supported by evidence. If it was that bad, a reputable site like ars, or anandtech would have shown it.
- zepto 6y ago
  Please stop replying with edits. It creates a dishonest impression of the thread.
- lern_too_spel 6y ago
  > It’s a lie to say the software is 30% slower. I gave you a source. The sluggishness is something I notice when I use MacOS. > If it was that bad, a reputable site like ars, or anandtech would have shown it. It is that bad. Hundreds of YouTubers have shown it, and you can do it yourself to confirm. I have friends who have iPhones. The launch times are noticeably slower. I'll even give you my speculation for why this is the case in order of impact: 1. Android's zygote based process initialization. 2. Developers optimizing for the $50 Android phones in the long tail. 3. GC instead of ARC.
  - zepto 6y ago
    Ok, so now we can see that you lied. The software is not 30% slower. There are a set of cold boot launch times which can be shown to be slower in a video, but this is not a metric of software performance nor does it impact users. You’ve attempted to use a set of YouTube videos to justify a false statement. As I have said before - if iOS was slower than Android you’d be able to find a reputable source to show it through analysis, not some staged YouTube videos looking for clicks.
    - lern_too_spel 6y ago
      > The software is not 30% slower. I showed you that it is, and you keep saying that it isn't. I even gave you some examples that are more than 100% slower. > There are a set of cold boot launch times which can be shown to be slower in a video That's what I said they were. You kept not believing me even though I showed proof. Now you say that it doesn't matter. It is in fact the biggest thing that matters for productivity apps, aside from UX, where Android wins by a bigger margin due to smart replies and other actions in notifications. > You’ve attempted to use a set of YouTube videos to justify a false statement. You keep saying that, but you've just agreed in this comment that my statement was wholly correct. Get your fingers out of your ears.

zepto 6y ago

If you are a heavy Java or OpenGL user, don’t buy a Mac. If you are running a git server farm, don’t use macs. If you are a developer using Git, you’ll be just fine. These just aren’t representative of most people’s experience. It’s a lie to say the software is 30% slower. It’s even a lie to say it’s 30% slower for an IntelliJ user. It’s only 30% slower on a narrow benchmark. YouTube videos, however many, are not a credible source of operating system performance claims. You can find YouTube videos supporting flat earth theories or that Obama is a lizard alien. If you can’t find any article anywhere substantiating your claim, I think we can conclude that it’s not supported by evidence. If it was that bad, a reputable site like ars, or anandtech would have shown it.

zepto 6y ago
Please stop replying with edits. It creates a dishonest impression of the thread.
lern_too_spel 6y ago
> It’s a lie to say the software is 30% slower. I gave you a source. The sluggishness is something I notice when I use MacOS. > If it was that bad, a reputable site like ars, or anandtech would have shown it. It is that bad. Hundreds of YouTubers have shown it, and you can do it yourself to confirm. I have friends who have iPhones. The launch times are noticeably slower. I'll even give you my speculation for why this is the case in order of impact: 1. Android's zygote based process initialization. 2. Developers optimizing for the $50 Android phones in the long tail. 3. GC instead of ARC.
- zepto 6y ago
  Ok, so now we can see that you lied. The software is not 30% slower. There are a set of cold boot launch times which can be shown to be slower in a video, but this is not a metric of software performance nor does it impact users. You’ve attempted to use a set of YouTube videos to justify a false statement. As I have said before - if iOS was slower than Android you’d be able to find a reputable source to show it through analysis, not some staged YouTube videos looking for clicks.
  - lern_too_spel 6y ago
    > The software is not 30% slower. I showed you that it is, and you keep saying that it isn't. I even gave you some examples that are more than 100% slower. > There are a set of cold boot launch times which can be shown to be slower in a video That's what I said they were. You kept not believing me even though I showed proof. Now you say that it doesn't matter. It is in fact the biggest thing that matters for productivity apps, aside from UX, where Android wins by a bigger margin due to smart replies and other actions in notifications. > You’ve attempted to use a set of YouTube videos to justify a false statement. You keep saying that, but you've just agreed in this comment that my statement was wholly correct. Get your fingers out of your ears.