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That’s a big assumption to make. I think it’s valid to say that C++ is complex and more difficult to understand than other compiled languages without resorting

by snazz 6y ago

That’s a big assumption to make. I think it’s valid to say that C++ is complex and more difficult to understand than other compiled languages without resorting to ad hominem arguments.

detaro 6y ago
To be fair, the root comment started by suggesting mental illnesses in C++ programmers, so charged responses are to be expected.
- nchi3 6y ago
  Stockholm syndrome isn't a mental illness, nor is it derigatory.
  - detaro 6y ago
    Suggesting everyone using C++ isn't capable of properly evaluating it (which the comment author can clearly tell from the outside, for every use case) is "not derogatory"? (and from what I understand "Stockholm syndrome" is not classified as a medical condition because it's questioned if it actually exists as thing that can be usefully delineated, not because it wouldn't qualify) I'm certainly not claiming "C++ is perfect and everything else is useless" or "Rust doesn't stand a chance", but this "there has to be something wrong with you if you use it/ever consider it more suitable" is seriously annoying, and disappointing to see as the top comment here (even if it's not the worst pro-rust denigration of C++-users I've seen). And is damaging the chances Rust et al have in these spaces.
    - nchi3 6y ago
      Medical condition is a very different thing from a mental illness though. I'm quite sure there aren't mental _illnesses_ which last 1-2 days like Stockholm syndrome does. >Suggesting everyone using C++ isn't capable of properly evaluating it (which the comment author can clearly tell from the outside, for every use case) is "not derogatory"? I see it more as "I wonder if they have given other languages a chance?". There's definitely a lot of C++ devs who aren't giving for example Rust a try, and don't see the negatives of C++ because they haven't experienced anything else lately. If anything, it was derogatory towards C++, not the devs.
      - detaro 6y ago
        "Stockholm syndrome" suggests a lot more "aren't mentally capable of" than "wonder if they have". And the answer to the question "I wonder if any C++ developer has ever given other languages a chance" is also a quite obviously "yes" (remember, the claim was about "all"), not "no, they never have".
otabdeveloper4 6y ago
Haskell is much more complex than C++, for one example. (How many language extensions does Haskell have now? A hundred?) C++ is easy to understand when you understand the mental model its abstractions target. (In some sense you're right: the mental model of Haskell is mathematical, while the mental model of C++ is some sort of multi-core "Harvard architecture" machine. While it's true that math is a lot easier for the human brain to grasp, this isn't really related to language complexity per se.)

by snazz 6y ago

That’s a big assumption to make. I think it’s valid to say that C++ is complex and more difficult to understand than other compiled languages without resorting to ad hominem arguments.

detaro 6y ago

To be fair, the root comment started by suggesting mental illnesses in C++ programmers, so charged responses are to be expected.

nchi3 6y ago
Stockholm syndrome isn't a mental illness, nor is it derigatory.
- detaro 6y ago
  Suggesting everyone using C++ isn't capable of properly evaluating it (which the comment author can clearly tell from the outside, for every use case) is "not derogatory"? (and from what I understand "Stockholm syndrome" is not classified as a medical condition because it's questioned if it actually exists as thing that can be usefully delineated, not because it wouldn't qualify) I'm certainly not claiming "C++ is perfect and everything else is useless" or "Rust doesn't stand a chance", but this "there has to be something wrong with you if you use it/ever consider it more suitable" is seriously annoying, and disappointing to see as the top comment here (even if it's not the worst pro-rust denigration of C++-users I've seen). And is damaging the chances Rust et al have in these spaces.
  - nchi3 6y ago
    Medical condition is a very different thing from a mental illness though. I'm quite sure there aren't mental _illnesses_ which last 1-2 days like Stockholm syndrome does. >Suggesting everyone using C++ isn't capable of properly evaluating it (which the comment author can clearly tell from the outside, for every use case) is "not derogatory"? I see it more as "I wonder if they have given other languages a chance?". There's definitely a lot of C++ devs who aren't giving for example Rust a try, and don't see the negatives of C++ because they haven't experienced anything else lately. If anything, it was derogatory towards C++, not the devs.
    - detaro 6y ago
      "Stockholm syndrome" suggests a lot more "aren't mentally capable of" than "wonder if they have". And the answer to the question "I wonder if any C++ developer has ever given other languages a chance" is also a quite obviously "yes" (remember, the claim was about "all"), not "no, they never have".

otabdeveloper4 6y ago

Haskell is much more complex than C++, for one example. (How many language extensions does Haskell have now? A hundred?) C++ is easy to understand when you understand the mental model its abstractions target. (In some sense you're right: the mental model of Haskell is mathematical, while the mental model of C++ is some sort of multi-core "Harvard architecture" machine. While it's true that math is a lot easier for the human brain to grasp, this isn't really related to language complexity per se.)