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Just don’t ever connect it to your network.

willis936 6y ago
How do you do this? Wrapping it in grounded tin foil? Ripping out the wifi module? Do I need to void warranty and dissect a new piece of consumer electronics to remove the spy organ? Is that really an acceptable situation?
- fulafel 6y ago
  Put a password on your wifi, it other security benefits as well.
  - the8472 6y ago
    What about the neighbor's wifi?
  - willis936 6y ago
    Wardriving is a thing. Broadcast an unsecured SSID and talk to anyone who joins.
    - fulafel 6y ago
      Excellent point, I wonder if there are published experiments about this kind of reverse wardriving against consumer IoT devices.
- anthk 6y ago
  Does your TV magically crack the WPA2 password?
  - willis936 6y ago
    Why would it need to? https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25275350 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25275350
    - anthk 6y ago
      >And inevitably someone will say that they'd heard that Smart TVs will connect to unsecured WiFi networks in proximity and start uploading your data. That's bullshit because that could get into a HIGHLY illegal issue on the manufacturer as they could join into a foreign network tampering with comms. And IDK on the US, but the fines on Europe on that are really high.
  - thatguy0900 6y ago
    No but your neighbors echo might just give it theirs https://www.amazon.com/Amazon-Sidewalk/b?ie=UTF8&node=21328123011 https://www.amazon.com/Amazon-Sidewalk/b?ie=UTF8&node=213281...
- ipqk 6y ago
  I never connect it via WiFi so it never has my password and use an Apple TV for streaming services. If I need to update the firmware, I use ethernet and then disconnect when done.
zo1 6y ago
Sure, till they start adding cellphone-tower enabled connectivity. Your move, consumer.
- mikro2nd 6y ago
  I live outside the cellphone coverage area. Your move, manufacturer.
  - sircastor 6y ago
    ... for now. Cell coverage isn’t shrinking.
    - Ekaros 6y ago
      I actually is. Or at least the individual cells are... At some point it will be fun to install cells in your own home...
- chadlavi 6y ago
  Though at least if they did this, it's not using my network/affecting my data limits/able to be used by a hacker to exploit my network. Plus there would probably be a physical cell antenna somewhere that could be... altered.
- thatguy0900 6y ago
  Don't even need this, with projects like Amazon sidewalk they can mooch your neighbors secured wifi
  - sp332 6y ago
    Details https://mashable.com/article/amazon-sidewalk-surveillance-network-expands.amp https://mashable.com/article/amazon-sidewalk-surveillance-ne... If you have certain Ring cameras or Echo devices, Amazon enabled a new radio in it back in September. You can opt out from the Alexa app: More -> Settings -> Account Settings -> Amazon Sidewalk -> Off.
- 6y ago

How do you do this? Wrapping it in grounded tin foil? Ripping out the wifi module? Do I need to void warranty and dissect a new piece of consumer electronics to remove the spy organ? Is that really an acceptable situation?

fulafel 6y ago
Put a password on your wifi, it other security benefits as well.
- the8472 6y ago
  What about the neighbor's wifi?
- willis936 6y ago
  Wardriving is a thing. Broadcast an unsecured SSID and talk to anyone who joins.
  - fulafel 6y ago
    Excellent point, I wonder if there are published experiments about this kind of reverse wardriving against consumer IoT devices.
anthk 6y ago
Does your TV magically crack the WPA2 password?
- willis936 6y ago
  Why would it need to? https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25275350 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25275350
  - anthk 6y ago
    >And inevitably someone will say that they'd heard that Smart TVs will connect to unsecured WiFi networks in proximity and start uploading your data. That's bullshit because that could get into a HIGHLY illegal issue on the manufacturer as they could join into a foreign network tampering with comms. And IDK on the US, but the fines on Europe on that are really high.
- thatguy0900 6y ago
  No but your neighbors echo might just give it theirs https://www.amazon.com/Amazon-Sidewalk/b?ie=UTF8&node=21328123011 https://www.amazon.com/Amazon-Sidewalk/b?ie=UTF8&node=213281...
ipqk 6y ago
I never connect it via WiFi so it never has my password and use an Apple TV for streaming services. If I need to update the firmware, I use ethernet and then disconnect when done.

zo1 6y ago

Sure, till they start adding cellphone-tower enabled connectivity. Your move, consumer.

mikro2nd 6y ago
I live outside the cellphone coverage area. Your move, manufacturer.
- sircastor 6y ago
  ... for now. Cell coverage isn’t shrinking.
  - Ekaros 6y ago
    I actually is. Or at least the individual cells are... At some point it will be fun to install cells in your own home...
chadlavi 6y ago
Though at least if they did this, it's not using my network/affecting my data limits/able to be used by a hacker to exploit my network. Plus there would probably be a physical cell antenna somewhere that could be... altered.
thatguy0900 6y ago
Don't even need this, with projects like Amazon sidewalk they can mooch your neighbors secured wifi
- sp332 6y ago
  Details https://mashable.com/article/amazon-sidewalk-surveillance-network-expands.amp https://mashable.com/article/amazon-sidewalk-surveillance-ne... If you have certain Ring cameras or Echo devices, Amazon enabled a new radio in it back in September. You can opt out from the Alexa app: More -> Settings -> Account Settings -> Amazon Sidewalk -> Off.
6y ago