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The statement that is the title... Jesus... I've very briefly had to deal with react in a project that I inherited. 20 minutes into it I hated it with a passion

The statement that is the title... Jesus... I've very briefly had to deal with react in a project that I inherited. 20 minutes into it I hated it with a passion. 2 days later I wanted to kill everyone involved in the development of that abomination. I ended up scrapping the entire project and starting from zero because of react. And whoever chose react should have been fired. Annoyingly he had left by the time. I believe that the web has become a big pile of crap because of all those "modern" "frameworks". They tried solving problems no one had in advance. Back when I was in uni, in the second half of the 2000's, the web-part was actually enjoyable to work on. I'm really glad I ran away from that early on.

dinkleberg 6y ago
You want to murder dozens of people because you don’t like a framework? What an enlightened age we live in.
- bogwog 6y ago
  At least it’s not because of their religion, skin color, ethnicity, etc. Can’t deny that isn’t progress!
- andi999 6y ago
  it is called 'passion'
slow_donkey 6y ago
We've no-hired people for exactly this characteristic. It's great to have strong opinions but forcing rewrites due to that is typically not what you want in coworkers.
- axegon_ 6y ago
  That's your problem, isn't it. I mean I was the lead developer of the team, it was in line with my manager's views. And as a lead developer of the team I'd never want to torture any of the other devs by having them deal with this pile of callback pile of garbage. It took me(yes, alone, without involving any other poor souls) a month, working 16-18 hours/day+weekends over the Christmas holidays. Users acknowledged the improved performance. As for the developers: "Man, thank you so much for getting rid of this shit". Management happy, users happy, and most importantly (from my perspective), developers happy. Priceless considering the garbage before was developed over the course of 3 years by 3 developers(two of which very experienced) and around 1 million euros in salaries alone. I rest my case.
ironmagma 6y ago
Strange you say that because React is one of the most unopinionated frameworks in the space. What problems did you find it tried to solve that you wouldn’t have encountered?
- zug_zug 6y ago
  Maybe this isn't react-specic, but the places I usually work at have "react experts" who turn the frontend into an multi-gigabyte abomination of dependencies, unpredictability ("Just blow away and npm install again"), and multi-minute "compiles" of an interpreted language.
  - axegon_ 6y ago
    Precisely.
    - ironmagma 6y ago
      None of that is about React, it’s about npm and webpack which are also used by the other libraries. With the compilation, it’s damned if you do and damned if you don’t. People complained before we had static analysis tools that JS wasn’t a real language, and now that they exist and add wait time, people complain as well. But all of that is beside the point where you were claiming that React doesn’t even need to exist, not that the development cycle is less than ideal.
      - axegon_ 6y ago
        React is a symptom of the disease that is js. Unorganized, entangled spaghetti of unreadable and undebuggable code and callbacks. And js is not a real language. Or to put it in another way, javascript is to a programming language what a paper plane is to a Eurofighter typhoon: one is a toy to entertain little children, the other one is an actual product of engineering.
        ironmagma 6y ago

dinkleberg 6y ago

You want to murder dozens of people because you don’t like a framework? What an enlightened age we live in.

bogwog 6y ago
At least it’s not because of their religion, skin color, ethnicity, etc. Can’t deny that isn’t progress!
andi999 6y ago
it is called 'passion'

slow_donkey 6y ago

We've no-hired people for exactly this characteristic. It's great to have strong opinions but forcing rewrites due to that is typically not what you want in coworkers.

axegon_ 6y ago
That's your problem, isn't it. I mean I was the lead developer of the team, it was in line with my manager's views. And as a lead developer of the team I'd never want to torture any of the other devs by having them deal with this pile of callback pile of garbage. It took me(yes, alone, without involving any other poor souls) a month, working 16-18 hours/day+weekends over the Christmas holidays. Users acknowledged the improved performance. As for the developers: "Man, thank you so much for getting rid of this shit". Management happy, users happy, and most importantly (from my perspective), developers happy. Priceless considering the garbage before was developed over the course of 3 years by 3 developers(two of which very experienced) and around 1 million euros in salaries alone. I rest my case.

ironmagma 6y ago

Strange you say that because React is one of the most unopinionated frameworks in the space. What problems did you find it tried to solve that you wouldn’t have encountered?

zug_zug 6y ago
Maybe this isn't react-specic, but the places I usually work at have "react experts" who turn the frontend into an multi-gigabyte abomination of dependencies, unpredictability ("Just blow away and npm install again"), and multi-minute "compiles" of an interpreted language.
- axegon_ 6y ago
  Precisely.
  - ironmagma 6y ago
    None of that is about React, it’s about npm and webpack which are also used by the other libraries. With the compilation, it’s damned if you do and damned if you don’t. People complained before we had static analysis tools that JS wasn’t a real language, and now that they exist and add wait time, people complain as well. But all of that is beside the point where you were claiming that React doesn’t even need to exist, not that the development cycle is less than ideal.
    - axegon_ 6y ago
      React is a symptom of the disease that is js. Unorganized, entangled spaghetti of unreadable and undebuggable code and callbacks. And js is not a real language. Or to put it in another way, javascript is to a programming language what a paper plane is to a Eurofighter typhoon: one is a toy to entertain little children, the other one is an actual product of engineering.
      - ironmagma 6y ago