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I don't understand how using Radicle will free my code as they say in the site. So,how is using Radicle better than: 1. main repo on https://github.com https:

I don't understand how using Radicle will free my code as they say in the site. So,how is using Radicle better than: 1. main repo on https://github.com https://github.com 2. mirror repo on https://repo.or.cz https://repo.or.cz 3. mirror repo on https://codeberg.org https://codeberg.org 4. local backup on my device and hard-disk. peer-to-peer is beautiful concept but note that git is already distributed VCS. you can have many remotes and mirrors. Just that p2p is not necessary here in git and using Radicle doesn't free my Code.

half-kh-hacker 6y ago
If your main repo lives on GitHub, your (primary) issue tracking is tied to GitHub.
- varbhat 6y ago
  Actually, it's not fault of git. Workflow of git takes place through email and patches. But,github wanted to make this process easier for the people,hence they included issues,fork and PR model. It was easily done with intuitive interface without necessity of email for workflow, but if you have asked me, i would have issues,wiki,etc. integrated within repo just like Fossil VCS. p2p is cool but not solution to this . gitea/gitlab/etc. already provide importing of issues with repos and if not,they must provide that feature.
  - phoe-krk 6y ago
    > Actually, it's not fault of git. Workflow of git takes place through email and patches. This invokes the "it's not a bug, it's a feature" mechanism. E.g. Fossil has no problem integrating issues, merge requests, and wiki pages inside its repositories.
    - varbhat 6y ago
      Actually, Gitlab and Gitea allows mirror of Github repos with Issues/wiki/PR etc. So, having issues in Github is not at all problem. I just gave you example of Fossil VCS which has issues,PR,etc. baked into VCS itself. Actually,what Radicle is doing is to extend git with p2p and not inventing new VCS with issues,etc. baked in. What i am telling is that p2p doesn't solve this unclear problem and p2p isn't much beneficial to git. And will there be enough peers to guarantee availability of repo ?
      - viraptor 6y ago
        > Actually, Gitlab and Gitea allows mirror of Github repos with Issues/wiki/PR etc. But GitHub does not mirror the issues/PRs from anyone, so it's a very one-sided connection.
        varbhat 6y ago
        That's problem of GitHub.
        viraptor 6y ago
        Yes, but that's a problem for the users which GitHub has every incentive to never solve. It is a problem of github and projects like radicle are a solution.
        phoe-krk 6y ago
        And, by extension, all of its users.
        cutemonster 6y ago
        Not a problem for GitHub -- on the contrary, probably good for them. More vendor lock in.
  - xwvvvvwx 6y ago
    > if you have asked me, i would have issues,wiki,etc. integrated within repo just like Fossil VCS. This is exactly what radicle does.
GuB-42 6y ago
GitHub is more than just a git host. It has an issue tracker, pull request manager, manages releases and users,... All this cannot be replicated with a simple "git clone". What Radicle seems to do is to offer some sort of social network on top of git. The novelty here is not the decentralized nature of git, in fact it is what radicle relies on to make its social network decentralized.
LockAndLol 6y ago
So you need 3 accounts on 3 different services to achieve what radicle does. OK, let's say you use your Github account for all of them instead, now you have centralized your accounts and if you're another youtube-dl, Popcorn-Time or just happen to be unlucky enough have the nationality of a country that the USA likes to hate against, that account is gone. As for updating all those mirrors, how do you do that? `git push --all` ? `git push --mirror` ? Is git configured to so automatically? Or are you going to configure push hooks on one of those services? What about your issue/ticket and PR/MR management? Where will that be? Are you going to use an in-git solution like https://github.com/MichaelMure/git-bug https://github.com/MichaelMure/git-bug, somehow sync everything using custom scripts or wait for https://forgefed.peers.community/ https://forgefed.peers.community/ to be finalized and implemented by all code hosts? How are you going to collaborate with others? How are you going to introduce newcomers to all these options? Do you know of a tool that solves most (or all) of those issues?
- Proven 6y ago
  In order to keep it simple I'll just use Github, sit out their downtime and spend no time to educate users because everyone knows how to use it or can find answers in seconds. This use is the same as for other distributed services - own your data, resist censorship, increase resilience, bla bla, but in reality there's 5 cases (out of 5 million) where this mattered. This would work better without crypto and decentralization B.S. but how to compete with a service and the deep pockets of Gitlab and Github... Put simply, if you care about your project, you won't bother with this stuff because you lose users and contributors (as long as Github and Gitlab censorship is limited as it currently is). Right now your total addressable market is like 5 projects deemed illegal in the US.
cloudhead 6y ago
So when GitHub is down, how do users know to pull from your mirrors? How about push?
- Proven 6y ago
  When you repo is on Radicle your users cannot find it to begin with. What about push? How many projects can't wait 15 minutes until Github or other service resumes normal service?
- scoopertrooper 6y ago
  Notes in the readme? How long are you expecting one of the biggest websites in the world to be down?
  - cloudhead 6y ago
    A couple of hours[0]? One entire day[1]? [0]: https://www.theverge.com/platform/amp/2020/6/29/21306674/github-down-errors-outage-june-2020 https://www.theverge.com/platform/amp/2020/6/29/21306674/git... [1]: https://github.blog/2018-10-30-oct21-post-incident-analysis/ https://github.blog/2018-10-30-oct21-post-incident-analysis/
  - FpUser 6y ago
    For some people like forever. Developers can be banned because their country/area happen to fall under US sanctions.
    - berkes 6y ago
      Or because a German law firm (ab)uses a US copyright directive that Github, a US company has to follow?

half-kh-hacker 6y ago

If your main repo lives on GitHub, your (primary) issue tracking is tied to GitHub.

varbhat 6y ago
Actually, it's not fault of git. Workflow of git takes place through email and patches. But,github wanted to make this process easier for the people,hence they included issues,fork and PR model. It was easily done with intuitive interface without necessity of email for workflow, but if you have asked me, i would have issues,wiki,etc. integrated within repo just like Fossil VCS. p2p is cool but not solution to this . gitea/gitlab/etc. already provide importing of issues with repos and if not,they must provide that feature.
- phoe-krk 6y ago
  > Actually, it's not fault of git. Workflow of git takes place through email and patches. This invokes the "it's not a bug, it's a feature" mechanism. E.g. Fossil has no problem integrating issues, merge requests, and wiki pages inside its repositories.
  - varbhat 6y ago
    Actually, Gitlab and Gitea allows mirror of Github repos with Issues/wiki/PR etc. So, having issues in Github is not at all problem. I just gave you example of Fossil VCS which has issues,PR,etc. baked into VCS itself. Actually,what Radicle is doing is to extend git with p2p and not inventing new VCS with issues,etc. baked in. What i am telling is that p2p doesn't solve this unclear problem and p2p isn't much beneficial to git. And will there be enough peers to guarantee availability of repo ?
    - viraptor 6y ago
      > Actually, Gitlab and Gitea allows mirror of Github repos with Issues/wiki/PR etc. But GitHub does not mirror the issues/PRs from anyone, so it's a very one-sided connection.
      - varbhat 6y ago
        That's problem of GitHub.
        viraptor 6y ago
        Yes, but that's a problem for the users which GitHub has every incentive to never solve. It is a problem of github and projects like radicle are a solution.
        phoe-krk 6y ago
        And, by extension, all of its users.
        cutemonster 6y ago
        Not a problem for GitHub -- on the contrary, probably good for them. More vendor lock in.
- xwvvvvwx 6y ago
  > if you have asked me, i would have issues,wiki,etc. integrated within repo just like Fossil VCS. This is exactly what radicle does.

GuB-42 6y ago

GitHub is more than just a git host. It has an issue tracker, pull request manager, manages releases and users,... All this cannot be replicated with a simple "git clone". What Radicle seems to do is to offer some sort of social network on top of git. The novelty here is not the decentralized nature of git, in fact it is what radicle relies on to make its social network decentralized.

LockAndLol 6y ago

So you need 3 accounts on 3 different services to achieve what radicle does. OK, let's say you use your Github account for all of them instead, now you have centralized your accounts and if you're another youtube-dl, Popcorn-Time or just happen to be unlucky enough have the nationality of a country that the USA likes to hate against, that account is gone. As for updating all those mirrors, how do you do that? `git push --all` ? `git push --mirror` ? Is git configured to so automatically? Or are you going to configure push hooks on one of those services? What about your issue/ticket and PR/MR management? Where will that be? Are you going to use an in-git solution like https://github.com/MichaelMure/git-bug https://github.com/MichaelMure/git-bug, somehow sync everything using custom scripts or wait for https://forgefed.peers.community/ https://forgefed.peers.community/ to be finalized and implemented by all code hosts? How are you going to collaborate with others? How are you going to introduce newcomers to all these options? Do you know of a tool that solves most (or all) of those issues?

Proven 6y ago
In order to keep it simple I'll just use Github, sit out their downtime and spend no time to educate users because everyone knows how to use it or can find answers in seconds. This use is the same as for other distributed services - own your data, resist censorship, increase resilience, bla bla, but in reality there's 5 cases (out of 5 million) where this mattered. This would work better without crypto and decentralization B.S. but how to compete with a service and the deep pockets of Gitlab and Github... Put simply, if you care about your project, you won't bother with this stuff because you lose users and contributors (as long as Github and Gitlab censorship is limited as it currently is). Right now your total addressable market is like 5 projects deemed illegal in the US.

cloudhead 6y ago

So when GitHub is down, how do users know to pull from your mirrors? How about push?

Proven 6y ago
When you repo is on Radicle your users cannot find it to begin with. What about push? How many projects can't wait 15 minutes until Github or other service resumes normal service?
scoopertrooper 6y ago
Notes in the readme? How long are you expecting one of the biggest websites in the world to be down?
- cloudhead 6y ago
  A couple of hours[0]? One entire day[1]? [0]: https://www.theverge.com/platform/amp/2020/6/29/21306674/github-down-errors-outage-june-2020 https://www.theverge.com/platform/amp/2020/6/29/21306674/git... [1]: https://github.blog/2018-10-30-oct21-post-incident-analysis/ https://github.blog/2018-10-30-oct21-post-incident-analysis/
- FpUser 6y ago
  For some people like forever. Developers can be banned because their country/area happen to fall under US sanctions.
  - berkes 6y ago
    Or because a German law firm (ab)uses a US copyright directive that Github, a US company has to follow?