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I think in places in San Francisco, it might not just be "inequality", but also homeless people flocking to places with spare money and mild climate. Why else w

I think in places in San Francisco, it might not just be "inequality", but also homeless people flocking to places with spare money and mild climate. Why else would you choose to be homeless in one of the most expensive places on earth?

cmrx64 6y ago
https://www.kqed.org/news/11721460/why-do-these-4-myths-about-homelessness-persist https://www.kqed.org/news/11721460/why-do-these-4-myths-abou... this myth gets repeated and has no basis in reality. people in every city that offer any kind of service for the poor think that this attracts poor people. i guess it’s easier to believe that people are choosing to cheat society than society failed to provide for them
- timeeater 6y ago
  I said nothing about "choosing to cheat society". Perhaps check your own biases? I also didn't say anything about "offering services". From the charts in your article it still doesn't seem unlikely that many homeless people migrated there for the jobs, a ka money - 30% in the "1 to 4 years" bracket, 48% if you go to "up to 9 years". In my city (Berlin) it certainly seems to be the case that it is often immigrants who end up homeless, presumably because the social net for citizens doesn't fully apply to them.
tchaffee 6y ago
> choose to be homeless... That's a poor choice of words that betrays your lack of knowledge on the subject. Instead of guesses about what is happening backed up with with "why else" reasoning, why not just do a little research on your own first? Or at least start with a question instead of a claim?
- timeeater 6y ago
  I literally asked a question. And I meant choose San Francisco as the place to be homeless in, not choosing homelessness. If you would apply the principle of charity, you would have been able to read my comment correctly.
  - tchaffee 6y ago
    Here is your claim: > homeless people flock to places with spare money and mild climate. Here is what it would look like as a question: Do homeless people move to places with spare money and mild climate? The "why else" construction is not a literal question. It's rhetoric device used to make a claim about reasoning. It implies that you've thought through all the possible reasons and you've come up with the obvious answer. But if you were really making a sincere question, the answer to "why else" is: that is where they lived when they became homeless.
    - timeeater 6y ago
      I wrote the reason MIGHT be spare money and mild climate, and in that context my question is an actual question, not rhetoric. "It implies that you've thought through all the possible reasons and you've come up with the obvious answer." No, me writing "MIGHT" literally implies the opposite of that. It is also an aspect to consider, in any case - it is a valid question of why there are many homeless in a rich place. Merely claiming "inequality" is not actually an answer. In theory, the rich place should offer more job opportunities than poor places elsewhere.
      - tchaffee 6y ago
        > In theory, the rich place should offer more job opportunities than poor places elsewhere. Which theory? Because trickle down doesn't have much support in terms of evidence. Often it's actually the wealth that causes the homelessness. As wealthy people move into an area and rents skyrocket, people who once could afford to live there end up on the street. And where are homeless people getting all this money to relocate a thousand miles away based on the hopes that they might get a job in a city with a much higher cost of living? None of this even passes a quick common sense test.
        timeeater 6y ago
        Is there any evidence for people becoming homeless because of skyrocketing rents? Are there no renter protections in the USA, anyway? The theory is simple that where the area is rich, there are more jobs - catering to the rich people, but also the jobs that make the rich people rich. As for relocating, in the old days, you could hitchhike or jump on trains.

cmrx64 6y ago

https://www.kqed.org/news/11721460/why-do-these-4-myths-about-homelessness-persist https://www.kqed.org/news/11721460/why-do-these-4-myths-abou... this myth gets repeated and has no basis in reality. people in every city that offer any kind of service for the poor think that this attracts poor people. i guess it’s easier to believe that people are choosing to cheat society than society failed to provide for them

timeeater 6y ago
I said nothing about "choosing to cheat society". Perhaps check your own biases? I also didn't say anything about "offering services". From the charts in your article it still doesn't seem unlikely that many homeless people migrated there for the jobs, a ka money - 30% in the "1 to 4 years" bracket, 48% if you go to "up to 9 years". In my city (Berlin) it certainly seems to be the case that it is often immigrants who end up homeless, presumably because the social net for citizens doesn't fully apply to them.

tchaffee 6y ago

> choose to be homeless... That's a poor choice of words that betrays your lack of knowledge on the subject. Instead of guesses about what is happening backed up with with "why else" reasoning, why not just do a little research on your own first? Or at least start with a question instead of a claim?

timeeater 6y ago
I literally asked a question. And I meant choose San Francisco as the place to be homeless in, not choosing homelessness. If you would apply the principle of charity, you would have been able to read my comment correctly.
- tchaffee 6y ago
  Here is your claim: > homeless people flock to places with spare money and mild climate. Here is what it would look like as a question: Do homeless people move to places with spare money and mild climate? The "why else" construction is not a literal question. It's rhetoric device used to make a claim about reasoning. It implies that you've thought through all the possible reasons and you've come up with the obvious answer. But if you were really making a sincere question, the answer to "why else" is: that is where they lived when they became homeless.
  - timeeater 6y ago
    I wrote the reason MIGHT be spare money and mild climate, and in that context my question is an actual question, not rhetoric. "It implies that you've thought through all the possible reasons and you've come up with the obvious answer." No, me writing "MIGHT" literally implies the opposite of that. It is also an aspect to consider, in any case - it is a valid question of why there are many homeless in a rich place. Merely claiming "inequality" is not actually an answer. In theory, the rich place should offer more job opportunities than poor places elsewhere.
    - tchaffee 6y ago
      > In theory, the rich place should offer more job opportunities than poor places elsewhere. Which theory? Because trickle down doesn't have much support in terms of evidence. Often it's actually the wealth that causes the homelessness. As wealthy people move into an area and rents skyrocket, people who once could afford to live there end up on the street. And where are homeless people getting all this money to relocate a thousand miles away based on the hopes that they might get a job in a city with a much higher cost of living? None of this even passes a quick common sense test.
      - timeeater 6y ago
        Is there any evidence for people becoming homeless because of skyrocketing rents? Are there no renter protections in the USA, anyway? The theory is simple that where the area is rich, there are more jobs - catering to the rich people, but also the jobs that make the rich people rich. As for relocating, in the old days, you could hitchhike or jump on trains.