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Downvote goading, things like 'the entire world playing the race card on you' are basically trolling, they don't sound like asking a question in good faith. Th

by pvg 6y ago

Downvote goading, things like 'the entire world playing the race card on you' are basically trolling, they don't sound like asking a question in good faith. This particular case is also not about someone being fired for 'not performing' - nobody has claimed that. So if trolling is not your intent, you should edit it down to whatever it is you are actually asking.

machinelabo 6y ago
That's why I removed it. I am asking the questions in good faith. I want to know how the society will avoid having chilling effect of not being able to fire underperformers and making difficult choices when they need to be made. If we cannot sit down and have a peaceful conversation, calling trolls and other non-sense, please don't divulge in this thread.
- pvg 6y ago
  'playing the race card' and asking about firing for non-performance in the context of a story that does not involve someone being fired for that are not invitations to 'peaceful conversation'. They come off as deliberate provocation. Again, if that's not what you have in mind, just edit it out and focus on whatever it is you want to ask.
- tptacek 6y ago
  No, I'm sorry, the high horse you're trying to ride here just isn't going to hold the weight of the ideological argument you tried to make. Timnit Gebru was severed from Google because of a conflict between her and the research practices at Google. Moreover, the story begins with her offering an ultimatum and Google preemptively accepting her resignation. No part of this story reasonably involves the "gender differences" and "difficult truths" you're invoking. Dropping boilerplate ideological provocations onto unrelated threads isn't good-faith conversation. Whether you mean it to be or not, it has the effect of trolling, and on HN, trolling is a strict-liability offense; your mens rea matters less than the outcome. Please don't do things like this on HN.
  - idlewords 6y ago
    Probably fairer to say she was severed because the fruits of her research are irreconcilable with the company's peaceful enjoyment of its core business model. The sudden commitment to research practices (as documented elsewhere in this thread) being a fig leaf for that less comfortable truth.
    - tptacek 6y ago
      I agree, for what it's worth.

by pvg 6y ago

machinelabo 6y ago

That's why I removed it. I am asking the questions in good faith. I want to know how the society will avoid having chilling effect of not being able to fire underperformers and making difficult choices when they need to be made. If we cannot sit down and have a peaceful conversation, calling trolls and other non-sense, please don't divulge in this thread.

pvg 6y ago
'playing the race card' and asking about firing for non-performance in the context of a story that does not involve someone being fired for that are not invitations to 'peaceful conversation'. They come off as deliberate provocation. Again, if that's not what you have in mind, just edit it out and focus on whatever it is you want to ask.
tptacek 6y ago
No, I'm sorry, the high horse you're trying to ride here just isn't going to hold the weight of the ideological argument you tried to make. Timnit Gebru was severed from Google because of a conflict between her and the research practices at Google. Moreover, the story begins with her offering an ultimatum and Google preemptively accepting her resignation. No part of this story reasonably involves the "gender differences" and "difficult truths" you're invoking. Dropping boilerplate ideological provocations onto unrelated threads isn't good-faith conversation. Whether you mean it to be or not, it has the effect of trolling, and on HN, trolling is a strict-liability offense; your mens rea matters less than the outcome. Please don't do things like this on HN.
- idlewords 6y ago
  Probably fairer to say she was severed because the fruits of her research are irreconcilable with the company's peaceful enjoyment of its core business model. The sudden commitment to research practices (as documented elsewhere in this thread) being a fig leaf for that less comfortable truth.
  - tptacek 6y ago
    I agree, for what it's worth.