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Saying that react is boring but also actively developed is a bit contradictory particularly in the land of javascript.

lstamour 6y ago
Next you’ll be saying that it’s contradictory for Redis, Postgres, HAProxy and Nginx to be considered both boring and actively developed. I, for one, would argue that JavaScript as a language and the Web (or DOM APIs and features) are both boring yet actively developed, and that the same applies to most programming languages, for example. That said, the problem described here about picking something more “vanilla” but ending up with a non-standard codebase makes me long for the days of Ruby on Rails, especially before Engines, when it seemed like you could open any web app in existence and would be productive on day one just by knowing the Rails conventions...
- Macha 6y ago
  The thing about HAProxy/Nginx being boring is that if you knew how to use them a decade ago you know how to use them now. Redis is a bit younger but my understanding has not changed for users drastically. Postgres has more features but the day to day is pretty similar. I don't feel the same so true for JavaScript. Node was brand new, package management was brand new, ES6 wasn't even published yet, never mind usable. For the browser/DOM you likely used jquery because you couldn't use it directly, APIs like querySelector weren't available in a time when Chrome was less popular than IE6. You probably wrote "var that = this" a lot as most people didn't understand bind/apply. Modules were done by using a global object and sticking functions on that. So I don't think JavaScript has yet earned being called boring on the same level as the others, even if the "days since last framework" days are over with React the winner and Vue/Angular the other survivors.
westwing 6y ago
React rarely breaks your code, and if it does, you must've been doing something peculiar. Then, chances are that the problem is well-isolated and relatively simple to fix.
schwartzworld 6y ago
I do front-end dev and React is pretty much all I see people hiring for. I write React at work but I don't use it on any of my personal projects because I find it boring now. What does that have to do with its development status?

Next you’ll be saying that it’s contradictory for Redis, Postgres, HAProxy and Nginx to be considered both boring and actively developed. I, for one, would argue that JavaScript as a language and the Web (or DOM APIs and features) are both boring yet actively developed, and that the same applies to most programming languages, for example. That said, the problem described here about picking something more “vanilla” but ending up with a non-standard codebase makes me long for the days of Ruby on Rails, especially before Engines, when it seemed like you could open any web app in existence and would be productive on day one just by knowing the Rails conventions...

Macha 6y ago
The thing about HAProxy/Nginx being boring is that if you knew how to use them a decade ago you know how to use them now. Redis is a bit younger but my understanding has not changed for users drastically. Postgres has more features but the day to day is pretty similar. I don't feel the same so true for JavaScript. Node was brand new, package management was brand new, ES6 wasn't even published yet, never mind usable. For the browser/DOM you likely used jquery because you couldn't use it directly, APIs like querySelector weren't available in a time when Chrome was less popular than IE6. You probably wrote "var that = this" a lot as most people didn't understand bind/apply. Modules were done by using a global object and sticking functions on that. So I don't think JavaScript has yet earned being called boring on the same level as the others, even if the "days since last framework" days are over with React the winner and Vue/Angular the other survivors.

westwing 6y ago

React rarely breaks your code, and if it does, you must've been doing something peculiar. Then, chances are that the problem is well-isolated and relatively simple to fix.

schwartzworld 6y ago

I do front-end dev and React is pretty much all I see people hiring for. I write React at work but I don't use it on any of my personal projects because I find it boring now. What does that have to do with its development status?