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Those are desktop GPUs though, with (I'm guessing) an order of magnitude more power to deal with. Looking at someone testing laptop GPUs specifically (https://

Those are desktop GPUs though, with (I'm guessing) an order of magnitude more power to deal with. Looking at someone testing laptop GPUs specifically (https://github.com/analsec/hashcatbenchmark https://github.com/analsec/hashcatbenchmark), it looks like it's only 3-4x slower than a mobile GTX 1060? And .. also hugely outclassed by even a laptop GTX 1070. Oh well. I'm still holding to "it's impressive for the size and TDP", even if it's probably not enough to replace "SSH into the workstation at the office to run hashcat" yet.

dragontamer 6y ago
10xx series (Pascal) is 2-generations old, released in 2016 on a far larger TSMC 16nm process. > I'm still holding to "it's impressive for the size and TDP", even if it's probably not enough to replace "SSH into the workstation at the office to run hashcat" yet. https://hashcat.net/forum/archive/index.php?thread-8355.html https://hashcat.net/forum/archive/index.php?thread-8355.html Jetson Xavier crushes the M1 using only 9-billion transistors. I realize that the M1 has other stuff on it (4-big cores, Neural Engine), but... yeah... the M1 ain't a GPU architecture. It has one, but its not a "serious" SIMD-platform. ------ M1 has impressive big-core / CPU characteristics though. But Hashcat just ain't where its promising.
- spijdar 6y ago
  Okay I'll concede the point :P I guess I'm just thinking it looks "good enough" for a particular usecase, running NetNTLMv2 through my usual rule/wordlists on pentests. Intel's IGPs have been good enough to do NTLM in a few minutes for a few years, so being able to crack NetNTLM handshakes locally would be nice. Nvidia's Tegra stuff is really impressive though. I had a shot at playing with hashcat on a nintendo switch a while back, and even though that's several gens old and has very limited VRAM, it did surprisingly well. The newer SoCs must really fly.
  - dragontamer 6y ago
    I mean... you just don't use 10W solutions to run GPU problems. Push your wattage up to 40W on the platform, and suddenly you're looking at 10W CPU + 30W GPU, and things start to get interesting. All Apple really needs to do is get their M1 + AMD GPU (NAVI 2x is looking decent), and they're set. (Rumor has it that Apple is pissed off at NVidia for some reason, so Apple x NVidia solution seems unlikely) I'm not sure if the M1 has enough PCIe lanes. But hypothetically, a future design would include good I/O capabilities and start to scale upwards.
    - bredren 6y ago
      I’ve asked this but not heard a good response. What is holding apple back from building its own discrete video cards / eGPUs? Could it be competitive in this area?
      - dragontamer 6y ago
        I mean... why doesn't Apple have good aluminum mines to build its own aluminum for all of the chassis it makes? A company just decides where the scope of their work ends at some point.

dragontamer 6y ago

10xx series (Pascal) is 2-generations old, released in 2016 on a far larger TSMC 16nm process. > I'm still holding to "it's impressive for the size and TDP", even if it's probably not enough to replace "SSH into the workstation at the office to run hashcat" yet. https://hashcat.net/forum/archive/index.php?thread-8355.html https://hashcat.net/forum/archive/index.php?thread-8355.html Jetson Xavier crushes the M1 using only 9-billion transistors. I realize that the M1 has other stuff on it (4-big cores, Neural Engine), but... yeah... the M1 ain't a GPU architecture. It has one, but its not a "serious" SIMD-platform. ------ M1 has impressive big-core / CPU characteristics though. But Hashcat just ain't where its promising.

spijdar 6y ago
Okay I'll concede the point :P I guess I'm just thinking it looks "good enough" for a particular usecase, running NetNTLMv2 through my usual rule/wordlists on pentests. Intel's IGPs have been good enough to do NTLM in a few minutes for a few years, so being able to crack NetNTLM handshakes locally would be nice. Nvidia's Tegra stuff is really impressive though. I had a shot at playing with hashcat on a nintendo switch a while back, and even though that's several gens old and has very limited VRAM, it did surprisingly well. The newer SoCs must really fly.
- dragontamer 6y ago
  I mean... you just don't use 10W solutions to run GPU problems. Push your wattage up to 40W on the platform, and suddenly you're looking at 10W CPU + 30W GPU, and things start to get interesting. All Apple really needs to do is get their M1 + AMD GPU (NAVI 2x is looking decent), and they're set. (Rumor has it that Apple is pissed off at NVidia for some reason, so Apple x NVidia solution seems unlikely) I'm not sure if the M1 has enough PCIe lanes. But hypothetically, a future design would include good I/O capabilities and start to scale upwards.
  - bredren 6y ago
    I’ve asked this but not heard a good response. What is holding apple back from building its own discrete video cards / eGPUs? Could it be competitive in this area?
    - dragontamer 6y ago
      I mean... why doesn't Apple have good aluminum mines to build its own aluminum for all of the chassis it makes? A company just decides where the scope of their work ends at some point.