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I have great hopes that Stimulus 2.0 and Ruby 3.0 will put Rails back in the spotlight as the sane alternative to SPA abuse. Ruby and Rails have some really tal

by cutler 6y ago

I have great hopes that Stimulus 2.0 and Ruby 3.0 will put Rails back in the spotlight as the sane alternative to SPA abuse. Ruby and Rails have some really talented people on their teams and there's something special about the Ruby language which makes it such a fertile environment for innovation. Only Clojure compares in this respect.

ljm 6y ago
Rails is already the sane alternative. Any full stack framework is. DotNet, Laravel, Django, Rails... If you think you need a JS framework to handle your UI, you've already lost, and you're doomed to reinventing wheels that these technologies have already perfected.
- Scarbutt 6y ago
  Isn't Stimilus a JS framework?
  - KurtMueller 6y ago
    StimulusJS is one step up from JQuery and formalizes a lot of jQuery patterns that I'd come across - data-target, data-event attributes, etc.
  - andrei_says_ 6y ago
    Not really. More like super simple and light helpers for dom manipulation - lets you add interactivity with minimal trouble.
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- andrei_says_ 6y ago
  Thank you for saying this. I thought it but didn’t write it as I don’t want to offend. The amount of extra work and complexity that a separate FE introduces requires serious benefits on the other side of the equation.
austincheney 6y ago
SPA abuse is the predictable and highly unimaginative result of framework overuse. Hoping a different framework will somehow be a solution is exceedingly optimistic.
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davidjnelson 6y ago
Rails is dope. And it works really well with universal react rendering if you need that with react_on_rails.
- dyeje 6y ago
  Came to say the same. I've found it to be a really great productive combination. I can sprinkle in React components where the UI is especially rich and use Rails for everything else.
jack_riminton 6y ago
I've got even greater hopes for the NEW MAGIC that @dhh has been hinting about Apparently Stimulus 2.0 is part of that directional change Tweets: https://twitter.com/dhh/status/1334916143010680833?s=20 https://twitter.com/dhh/status/1334916143010680833?s=20

by cutler 6y ago

ljm 6y ago

Rails is already the sane alternative. Any full stack framework is. DotNet, Laravel, Django, Rails... If you think you need a JS framework to handle your UI, you've already lost, and you're doomed to reinventing wheels that these technologies have already perfected.

Scarbutt 6y ago
Isn't Stimilus a JS framework?
- KurtMueller 6y ago
  StimulusJS is one step up from JQuery and formalizes a lot of jQuery patterns that I'd come across - data-target, data-event attributes, etc.
- andrei_says_ 6y ago
  Not really. More like super simple and light helpers for dom manipulation - lets you add interactivity with minimal trouble.
- deleted 6y ago
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andrei_says_ 6y ago
Thank you for saying this. I thought it but didn’t write it as I don’t want to offend. The amount of extra work and complexity that a separate FE introduces requires serious benefits on the other side of the equation.

austincheney 6y ago

SPA abuse is the predictable and highly unimaginative result of framework overuse. Hoping a different framework will somehow be a solution is exceedingly optimistic.

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davidjnelson 6y ago

Rails is dope. And it works really well with universal react rendering if you need that with react_on_rails.

dyeje 6y ago
Came to say the same. I've found it to be a really great productive combination. I can sprinkle in React components where the UI is especially rich and use Rails for everything else.

jack_riminton 6y ago

I've got even greater hopes for the NEW MAGIC that @dhh has been hinting about Apparently Stimulus 2.0 is part of that directional change Tweets: https://twitter.com/dhh/status/1334916143010680833?s=20 https://twitter.com/dhh/status/1334916143010680833?s=20