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"some animal rights activists argue it perpetuates an unhealthy obsession with eating animals." Here we see a journalist in its natural habitat, trying to fost
by ouid 6y ago
"some animal rights activists argue it perpetuates an unhealthy obsession with eating animals."
Here we see a journalist in its natural habitat, trying to foster a sense of outrage where none at all exists, in the hopes of luring its prey to share the article. If it succeeds, it will be rewarded with eyeballs aplenty, which, in the cold harsh winter, will prove critical to the success of its offspring.
- umvi 6y agoIndeed. If this were a wikipedia article it would be: "some animal rights activists[who?] argue it perpetuates an unhealthy obsession with eating animals." I'd like to see a source on which "animal rights activists" this journalist is referring to. PETA? Random Twitter users? You can find a small minority against literally anything if you go scrounging.
- indigodaddy 6y agoI’d offer that you would find that most vegetarians and virtually all vegans would not eat lab-grown meat.
- saagarjha 6y agoReally? Even those that converted to being vegetarian and/or vegan?
- ahelwer 6y agoYou sort of lose your taste for it after a while. Been a vegetarian for five years, have occasionally tried a bite of someone else's meat dish. The blood taste is really strong when you haven't grown used to it. The texture is also kinda gross.
- saagarjha 6y agoI mean, I have no issues remaining vegetarian, but I wouldn't say that some good chicken wings don't smell appetizing to me (having enjoyed them prior to becoming vegetarian). That being said, I haven't actually tried eating meat in all these years so maybe it wouldn't taste great when I actually ate it.
- floquet 6y agoWould you eat lab-grown human meat? I've only been vegan for about 2 year now, but my current view is that meat is just gross. Being lab-grown only solves some ethical aspects, but is still gross.
- saagarjha 6y agoThat question doesn't really work: I mean, for you perhaps all meat is now the same and "gross", but there are many people who become vegetarian because of the ethical or environment aspects. I fail to see how it is far-fetched to assume that many of them would go back to eating meat if those concerns were resolved.
- floquet 6y agoThe point of the question was more to address your surprise that there virtually all vegans would not eat lab-grown meat. (Sorry if I misunderstood your original post.) Yes, agree that maybe some vegans would go back to eating meat if it was lab-grown. But my guess is that most vegans (anecdotal going from the ones that I know) would not eat lab-grown meat, just like people in general probably wouldn't eat lab-grown human meat. I mean, if human meat is 'no-go', why would animal meat be ok? This is all from the perspective of being vegan for ethical reasons. If someone is vegan only for health or environmental reasons, then maybe they won't care so much. But my experience is that people that go vegan for health/environment quickly change to be more ethically focused. > Cells taken from “source” chickens are cultured in a laboratory And then there is also the discussion whether lab-grown meat actually resolves the ethical issues. I mean, in order to grow the meat the lab has to initially source some cells from animals. Any vegan for ethical reasons would oppose that.
- saagarjha 6y agoI know many vegetarian and vegans who are so for ethical reasons, but their ethics are that this causes pain and death to animals, not that meat is inherently unethical to eat. I am sure that there are vegans that would extend their logic to “this originally came from animals at some point therefore I can’t support it” but there are many who are specifically concerned by factory farming and such, which this would alleviate.
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- Melting_Harps 6y ago> I’d offer that you would find that most vegetarians and virtually all vegans would not eat lab-grown meat. Ehh, I'm not so sure after having worked at a highly acclaimed Vegetarian/Vegan restaurant; they are both so calorie and fat deficient that they devour anything highly processed with as much saturated fats. Which when solely looking at this from a chef's lens, and not the absurd typical Silicon Valley froth money-grab that lab grown meat is, it really projects itself out as a bad solution to a problem no one really expects to solve with their product. It diverts a lot of money into certain startups and makes for good Marketing and PR, but I've had impossible burgers and never really wanted to try it again as its something that never stood out as a better product. Burgers are such low hanging fruit, too; try making a stroganoff from tempe or seitan, its horrible if you've ever had the real thing. I can tell you you right now that Livestock Ag has a critical role that cannot be displaced when done correctly, ironically to be able to maintain soil viability in fields where heavy feeding crops like tomatoes, or brassicas have to be rotated with to maintain viable yields for organic and biodynammic farms. Something these vegans and vegetarians are entirely oblivious about since most have never worked a day on a farm in their life, yet think they're 'part of the solution.' Lab grown meat is just another one of those panacea sounding things you'd expect would be the norm in the 21st century, like a flying car, but are entirely impractical and only used to divert resources from more impactful things, like Farmer Education outreach that tells them about the monetary gains to be had from growing sustainably/organically and using seaweed in their feed to offset CH4 emission, and how to build sheds/barns to use that for syngas production and compost. Eat Just has raised $220 million since its inception [0], just think about the amount of progress towards those ends we could have made with just the funds that one startup has raised. 0: https://agfundernews.com/singapore-grants-eat-just-worlds-first-regulatory-approval-for-lab-grown-meat.html https://agfundernews.com/singapore-grants-eat-just-worlds-fi...
- burntbridge 6y ago> Something these vegans and vegetarians are entirely oblivious about since most have never worked a day on a farm in their life, yet think they're 'part of the solution.' Kind of harsh. There are a lot of vegetarian farmers in India, who I'm sure are not presumptuous enough to think they are 'part of the solution'. For some meat eaters the idea of vegetarianism brings out strong reactions. If you are guilty just deal with it. People have their own reasons for being vegetarian and most don't judge and don't care.
- schoen 6y agoI've been in various conversations with fellow vegans where we discussed this; to my recollection about 1/3 said they would eat it and about 2/3 said they wouldn't, and about 3/3 said it would make the world dramatically better and the people who invented it were superheroes. (not a representative sample of vegans in any cultural, demographic, or ideological group; does not necessarily reflect all global vegan public opinion)
- tfehring 6y agoI'll corroborate this and add that I think most of those 2/3 would decline to eat it just because they're personally not interested in eating meat anymore, not because they think it would be unethical to do so. However, this would depend heavily on how many animals, if any, are harmed to produce it. Lots of vegans won't eat the impossible burger and don't consider it vegan because one of the chemicals in it was tested on rats before FDA approval, even though the number of animals harmed is O(1) - i.e., the marginal amount of animals harmed from eating an impossible burger is 0. I'm vegan and think that view is idiotic but whatever.
- lokedhs 6y agoI don't eat meat, but not a full vegetarian (I eat fish) , vbut I also fall into the category of not being interested in the lab grown meat. I think there are two different categories of vegetarians, the one who do it for moral reasons and the ones who do it because meat is kinda icky. For the first category, if the meat is produced in an ethical way (lab grown), then eating it is no problem. But lab grown meat is just the same as real meat so if you didn't want to eat it before, why would you want to eat the lab grown version? A 1-3 split between the two categories seems to plausible as far as I can tell.
- bbbobbb 6y ago> I don't eat meat, ... (I eat fish) What are fish made of where you live?
- hinkley 6y agoThat’s still a net increase of meat consumption from putative vegetarians and vegans. The story I’ve heard from CSAs with ethically raised animals is that they all have stories of former vegetarians ordering meat from them, exclusively. So there’s at least a little flex in the other direction.
- theCodeStig 6y agoThose are “meat hipsters”, just following one trend to the next. I would guess a lot of the same population followed a raw diet at some point in their past, possibly even Jain.
- theCodeStig 6y agoI’m fully vegetarian, and mostly vegan. Although I don’t have a taste for meat, I’m not opposed to eating lab-grown meat in any way, so long as no animals are harmed in the process.
- MattGaiser 6y agoJournalism with citations and links would be amazing.
- cyberbanjo 6y agoI've started checking Wikipedia's Current Events with my morning coffee.
- beaconstudios 6y agoDon't the citations end up leading straight back to said journalists?
- MattGaiser 6y agoMore just when there are sentences such as "X said Y in an interview", I want a link to the interview or when "the report concluded that X was caused by Y", I want a link to the report or study, ideally to the specific page where the claim is made. Or where they got the raw data for a table or chart.
- throwaway201103 6y agoYeah that statement caught my eye also. It's nonsense. They've essentially created a meat-plant: a way to grow meat that does not involve a sentient life form.
- beamatronic 6y agoCould these meat factories be put in space or on Mars?
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- eyelidlessness 6y ago> Here we see a journalist in its natural habitat, trying to foster a sense of outrage where none at all exists, in the hopes of luring its prey to share the article. If it succeeds, it will be rewarded with eyeballs aplenty, which, in the cold harsh winter, will prove critical to the success of its offspring. Or, you know, the journalist did their job and contacted relevant interested parties for comment, and included their perspective for the benefit of readers who would look for that perspective.
- Caprinicus 6y agoJust because someone exists doesn’t mean you get to quote them anonymously in the article. You don’t write an article about a Mars rover and include “some geocentric societies claim that Mars is not real and space is not real”. You need to establish why those people and their opinions are in any way notable otherwise it’s pointless to include them
- eyelidlessness 6y agoThat’s a poor analogy. Vegetarians are an obviously interested party in the discussion. The fact that they’re vegetarians in the first place.
- breakfastduck 6y agoYeah basically. Causing so much damage in the world.
- basementcat 6y agoIf there was a lab grown meat that tasted like human, would it perpetuate an unhealthy obsession with cannibalism?