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I think free2OSS is implying that Apple customers care more about the brand than the performance and cost.
by rement 6y ago
I think free2OSS is implying that Apple customers care more about the brand than the performance and cost.
- zepto 6y agoA weird suggestion, given that the products they choose have better performance and cost than the competitors. The facts suggest it is Samsung customers (and perhaps a few other brands) who care more about the brand than performance and cost.
- DangitBobby 6y agoThere's also the OS and other aspects of the walled garden that you must choose between an iPhone and some other flagship. I personally select for some perceived optimization of attributes such as "has Android" and "has good value for price" among other things. If Apple made a phone like that I might buy one. Unfortunately, all of their phones have iOS.
- zepto 6y agoHow many apps have you sideloaded?
- toast0 6y agoGoogle curates the play store with a much lighter touch than Apple curates its store. Possibly because they don't want to drive people to sideloading.
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- zepto 6y agoIt’s still a walled garden.
- toast0 6y agoThe wall is pretty low, when you download an apk and open it, it asks you if you want to unlock the gate. In earlier builds of Android, you had to find the setting yourself, which was at least a little harder.
- zepto 6y agoWhat percentage of users actually have a version of Android where that’s all it takes to install a downloaded apk?
- lern_too_spel 6y agoNearly 100%, but you're comparing against the wrong devices. When I run a Linux router, I am not choosing at random from all the vendors. It's the same for my phone. I choose which one to use on purpose. Not only can I install my own apps, but I can install my own system as well. This lets me run devices from 2013 on the latest version of Android. Answers below until I am no longer rate limited: > Sure but almost nobody can do that because they didn’t make the same careful choice as you did. What does that have to do with anything? Just because all iOS devices are bad and many Android devices are bad doesn't mean all devices are bad. I choose from the good devices. > Also, you routinely make unsupported claims Show me one unsupported claim I have made. > you are going to say nearly 100%, you’ll need to show a source. I have literally never seen an Android phone that does not allow sideloading. I have heard of many that do not allow unlocking the bootloader, but sideloading is standard. I can't provide a source because the idea that an Android phone would not allow sideloading is so absurd that nobody would bother explaining why it doesn't exist. > it contradicts what others say when I suggest Android is an open alternative to iOS. What have others said? Edit 2 for the second post: > Usually when I bring up sideloading as a reason why people should choose Android if they don’t like the restrictions of iOS, people claim that it is too hard for regular users to do because of the configuration required. The OS takes the user to the settings checkbox to check. This has been true for as long as I can remember.
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- DangitBobby 6y agoIDK, a handful. The point I was trying to make is less about the selection of apps and more about the actual operating system.
- lern_too_spel 6y agoHundreds. I develop apps for my own devices. This is supposed to be a forum for technologists.
- zepto 6y ago“Hundreds. I develop apps for my own devices. This is supposed to be a forum for technologists.” Sideloading doesn’t refer to installing apps you have developed yourself. It’s about distributing software outside of app stores.
- lern_too_spel 6y ago> Sideloading doesn’t refer to installing apps you have developed yourself. If you can do one, you can trivially do the other. It's effectively the same feature to the end user. I develop my own apps and upload them to cloud storage to install them on all my devices.
- zepto 6y agoThis is not correct. You can install your own app on your own iOS device without using the store, but you cannot distribute to end users. That’s why we say Android supports side loading but iOS does not. The two things are not one and the same.
- lern_too_spel 6y ago> You can install your own app on your own iOS device without using the store, but you cannot distribute to end users. My own devices and the devices of my friends and family are end users. I do not have to connect the devices to my computer. On iOS, you cannot do this without paying Apple yearly unless you want to deal with reinstalling every week. > The two things are not one and the same. They are enabled by the same mechanism. If you have one, you automatically have the other.
- zepto 6y ago
- lern_too_spel 6y agoApple computers have always been slower and more expensive than their non-Apple counterparts, and this gap has been larger recently due to sourcing from the struggling CPU vendor and the struggling GPU vendor. Worse, the software adds a 30% performance penalty on top. https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=macos1015-win10-ubuntu&num=1 https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=macos101... Their phones were slower at productivity tasks than midtier phones from the previous generation for many years. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=emPiTZHdP88 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=emPiTZHdP88 https://youtu.be/hPhkPXVxISY https://youtu.be/hPhkPXVxISY https://youtu.be/B5ZT9z9Bt4M https://youtu.be/B5ZT9z9Bt4M I agree that Samsung's phones are also overpriced.
- zepto 6y ago“The software adds a 30% performance penalty on top” That seems like a straight up falsehood.
- lern_too_spel 6y agoWhich is why I provided a link to show it. Whenever I see IntelliJ IDEs on Macs, they seem so sluggish, and the benchmarks in that link show that Java2D is several times slower on MacOS on the same hardware. iOS is even worse, taking vastly superior hardware and still managing to perform worse on standard productivity tasks.
- zepto 6y agoThe post doesn’t substantiate the claim: “The software adds a 30% performance penalty on top”. It shows performance on an extremely narrow test which clearly doesn’t represent general performance. As to your claim about iOS. There is literally nothing to substantiate it. You are simply lying and hoping nobody checks.
- lern_too_spel 6y ago> The post doesn’t substantiate the claim: “The software adds a 30% performance penalty on top”. From the link I posted: "Ubuntu 19.10 meanwhile had a 29.5% advantage over Apple macOS..." Ubuntu 20.04 is faster still on that set of benchmarks, and ClearLinux has a 10% performance increase on top of that. >It shows performance on an extremely narrow test. No, it includes a very broad range of tests. I just highlighted one of them, on which MacOS performs particularly poorly and which affects software a lot of us use. > As to your claims about iOS. There is literally nothing to substantiate it. I gave you three links to substantiate it. It also matches my own experience.
- threatofrain 6y agoIt's hard to imagine Apple's brand maintaining its luster without good performance, and when Apple sells over 1B phones, it's hard to imagine that price-efficacy wasn't a huge part of the package. On the other hand, Androids have a reputation to get somehow jankier or sluggish over time, and that surely must affect its brand and overall standing for consumers.
- free2OSS 6y agoI find the opposite True. I imagine you watch lots of Apple ads.
- rpdillon 6y agoI think Apple is on the hook for $100M+ for degrading performance of their phones over time intentionally. https://www.npr.org/2020/11/18/936268845/apple-agrees-to-pay-113-million-to-settle-batterygate-case-over-iphone-slowdowns https://www.npr.org/2020/11/18/936268845/apple-agrees-to-pay... I understand there are arguments about why this is a good idea, but Apple is settling, which tells me a fair amount about how Apple thinks those arguments would land in court.