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The war on drugs has been a long Republican policy, right along with family values.

lotsofpulp 6y ago
"Family values". Because I don't see them racing to help provide mandatory days off or sufficient wages for people with lower incomes to be able to spend time with their families.
- ogre_codes 6y ago
  Yeah, I'm not entirely sure what family values means aside from the name. Mostly I think it's a euphemism policies that support straight married couples with kids. It seems to be more about small tax breaks, and making life as difficult as possible for people who are not married and straight. Actually helping people might be construed as socialism.
  - mrguyorama 6y ago
    "Family values" as used by republicans always has the implied but not said "of a white, christian, man, who lives in the 1950s" added to it
    - lotsofpulp 6y ago
      “Who doesn’t act according to Christ” should also be added to it.
      - ogre_codes 6y ago
        For certain definitions of Christ. The modern gun totting intolerant Christ is a lot different from the compassionate one who taught about "Loving your neighbor" and "Forgiveness" we learned about in bible school...
chillwaves 6y ago
To be fair, centrist dems seem to have eagerly embraced it in the 90s. Maybe that's what it took to win elections, but the democrats have bought into this false narrative almost as much as the Republicans, to the point the distinction is just not meaningful. I mean, in the year 2020, sure, democrats want legal weed but I am talking about the history of the drug war in America. Democrats have never been leaders.
- aisengard 6y ago
  Democrats literally just led a charge to pass marijuana legalization on the federal level. This "both sides" horseshit is insane.
  - chillwaves 6y ago
    Did you read my whole reply? > I mean, in the year 2020, sure, democrats want legal weed but I am talking about the history of the drug war in America. Democrats have never been leaders. And it's not all the democrats that support legalization. I bet you the democrats would not be able to pass this in the senate even if they had a majority. I would put a lot of money on this wager. You can call things "horseshit" all you want, doesn't move the discussion forward.
- jadell 6y ago
  To be fair, most minority and underserved communities back in the 80s and 90s wanted the Dems to take a tough on crime stance, which is why the Dems shifted that way. For example, the crime bill that everyone loves to rag on Biden for voting for was written in cooperation with the input of Black community leaders and activists at the time. It's only in hindsight at the implementation and consequences of those policies that those communities are starting to shift away from that stance.

"Family values". Because I don't see them racing to help provide mandatory days off or sufficient wages for people with lower incomes to be able to spend time with their families.

ogre_codes 6y ago
Yeah, I'm not entirely sure what family values means aside from the name. Mostly I think it's a euphemism policies that support straight married couples with kids. It seems to be more about small tax breaks, and making life as difficult as possible for people who are not married and straight. Actually helping people might be construed as socialism.
- mrguyorama 6y ago
  "Family values" as used by republicans always has the implied but not said "of a white, christian, man, who lives in the 1950s" added to it
  - lotsofpulp 6y ago
    “Who doesn’t act according to Christ” should also be added to it.
    - ogre_codes 6y ago
      For certain definitions of Christ. The modern gun totting intolerant Christ is a lot different from the compassionate one who taught about "Loving your neighbor" and "Forgiveness" we learned about in bible school...

chillwaves 6y ago

To be fair, centrist dems seem to have eagerly embraced it in the 90s. Maybe that's what it took to win elections, but the democrats have bought into this false narrative almost as much as the Republicans, to the point the distinction is just not meaningful. I mean, in the year 2020, sure, democrats want legal weed but I am talking about the history of the drug war in America. Democrats have never been leaders.

aisengard 6y ago
Democrats literally just led a charge to pass marijuana legalization on the federal level. This "both sides" horseshit is insane.
- chillwaves 6y ago
  Did you read my whole reply? > I mean, in the year 2020, sure, democrats want legal weed but I am talking about the history of the drug war in America. Democrats have never been leaders. And it's not all the democrats that support legalization. I bet you the democrats would not be able to pass this in the senate even if they had a majority. I would put a lot of money on this wager. You can call things "horseshit" all you want, doesn't move the discussion forward.
jadell 6y ago
To be fair, most minority and underserved communities back in the 80s and 90s wanted the Dems to take a tough on crime stance, which is why the Dems shifted that way. For example, the crime bill that everyone loves to rag on Biden for voting for was written in cooperation with the input of Black community leaders and activists at the time. It's only in hindsight at the implementation and consequences of those policies that those communities are starting to shift away from that stance.