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At first I thought "wtf this this the second person here who want to make striking illegal", then I realized you are the same :) We are a democratic country, p

by forty 6y ago

At first I thought "wtf this this the second person here who want to make striking illegal", then I realized you are the same :) We are a democratic country, people are free to strike, and it's a good thing. It's a bit annoying sometimes, but it's certainly worth it (I'm sure there is no strike in north korea, but I'm happy to live in a free country with that minor annoyance)

buybackoff 6y ago
So do you think that surgeons should be able to strike, when other people's lives depend on them!?
- 10000truths 6y ago
  Well, it certainly doesn't make sense to compel them to work. What are you going to do, throw them in jail for quitting?
  - ampdepolymerase 6y ago
    No, the correct thing to do is to break the accreditation agencies and professional associations' grip over medical school admissions and massively increase the supply of surgeons.
    - fra 6y ago
      In France, the government sets the number of 2nd year medical school seats available. Anyone can sign up for year 1, but only the top N students at the end of year exam make it to the second year. This stands in stark contrast with the USA where the AMA calls the shots. In effect, the doctors control the supply of doctors.
      - ampdepolymerase 6y ago
        Either way the supply is controlled. Controlling the supply is the problem, not who does the controlling.
        laurencerowe 6y ago
        The restriction on supply is less about the number of medical school places and more about the number of residency training slots available post graduation from medical school. Simply increasing the number of medical school places would result in many people spending years of their life (and in the US, 100s of thousands of dollars in debt) without then being able to then start their career. Some degree of central planning seems reasonable here.
- fulafel 6y ago
  Doctor strikes can be pretty orderly and be organised without jeopardising urgent care. Eg here's a recent one in Norway (you'll need to use translation): https://lakartidningen.se/aktuellt/nyheter/2020/10/norska-lakare-i-strejk-om-arbetstid/ https://lakartidningen.se/aktuellt/nyheter/2020/10/norska-la... You have to remember that in a well working labour market strikes are a last resort, and 99% of the time having a strike as a tool helps the labour side wield their fair share of collective bargaining vs the dominant position of the employer organisation.
googlryas 6y ago
Do you think free countries should have the right to use temp workers ("scabs" in unionist lingo) to operate transit infrastructure during worker strikes?
- deleted 6y ago
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- ruined 6y ago
  as long as it's permitted by the terms of their voluntary contract with the workers' union :)
  - xapata 6y ago
    What do you think of Chapelle's recent monologue on the ethics of voluntary contracts?
- forty 6y ago
  In France it's not allowed. However what they can do for public transportation, to ensure "minimum service", is to make non drivers employees (like management for example) drive the train. They are also fully automating more and more lines.

by forty 6y ago

buybackoff 6y ago

So do you think that surgeons should be able to strike, when other people's lives depend on them!?

10000truths 6y ago
Well, it certainly doesn't make sense to compel them to work. What are you going to do, throw them in jail for quitting?
- ampdepolymerase 6y ago
  No, the correct thing to do is to break the accreditation agencies and professional associations' grip over medical school admissions and massively increase the supply of surgeons.
  - fra 6y ago
    In France, the government sets the number of 2nd year medical school seats available. Anyone can sign up for year 1, but only the top N students at the end of year exam make it to the second year. This stands in stark contrast with the USA where the AMA calls the shots. In effect, the doctors control the supply of doctors.
    - ampdepolymerase 6y ago
      Either way the supply is controlled. Controlling the supply is the problem, not who does the controlling.
      - laurencerowe 6y ago
        The restriction on supply is less about the number of medical school places and more about the number of residency training slots available post graduation from medical school. Simply increasing the number of medical school places would result in many people spending years of their life (and in the US, 100s of thousands of dollars in debt) without then being able to then start their career. Some degree of central planning seems reasonable here.
fulafel 6y ago
Doctor strikes can be pretty orderly and be organised without jeopardising urgent care. Eg here's a recent one in Norway (you'll need to use translation): https://lakartidningen.se/aktuellt/nyheter/2020/10/norska-lakare-i-strejk-om-arbetstid/ https://lakartidningen.se/aktuellt/nyheter/2020/10/norska-la... You have to remember that in a well working labour market strikes are a last resort, and 99% of the time having a strike as a tool helps the labour side wield their fair share of collective bargaining vs the dominant position of the employer organisation.

googlryas 6y ago

Do you think free countries should have the right to use temp workers ("scabs" in unionist lingo) to operate transit infrastructure during worker strikes?

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ruined 6y ago
as long as it's permitted by the terms of their voluntary contract with the workers' union :)
- xapata 6y ago
  What do you think of Chapelle's recent monologue on the ethics of voluntary contracts?
forty 6y ago
In France it's not allowed. However what they can do for public transportation, to ensure "minimum service", is to make non drivers employees (like management for example) drive the train. They are also fully automating more and more lines.