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If the app lives in full isolation and your focus is data ownership desktop is probably better, but I struggle to understand how it can be better tech for any o

by kfk 6y ago

If the app lives in full isolation and your focus is data ownership desktop is probably better, but I struggle to understand how it can be better tech for any other use case. I work in a big company so maybe I am biased but 1) every app eventually has to integrate with some other app; 2) every app eventually is used by more than 1 person; in both 1 and 2 desktop pretty much breaks (unless you use version control for 2). In fact we are still dealing with desktop issues as we port this amazing 80's-90's MS era workflow into the cloud and still train users to "save" files.

millstone 6y ago
Desktop apps can reach higher quality. Compare e.g. Apple Keynote to Google Slides, the difference is obvious.
- leipert 6y ago
  Ha. Wanted to counter your argument with: Keynote is older. It is, but just by 3 years, (2003 vs 2006). Depending on the features you use your argument might fall flat though, how do I collaborate on a presentation? How can I easily share a presentation with a set of folks? I like Keynote a lot, but Slides has it’s use cases as well.
  - millstone 6y ago
    Keynote actually has pretty great real-time collaboration [1], though it does have more friction than GSlides, not least of which because it requires a Mac. I agree GSlides has its uses. Web apps are good for ephemeral tasks, but I use desktop apps for stuff I care about. 1: https://support.apple.com/guide/keynote/intro-to-collaboration-tan4e89e275c/mac https://support.apple.com/guide/keynote/intro-to-collaborati...
  - CharlesW 6y ago
    > Keynote is older. It is, but just by 3 years, (2003 vs 2006). Fun fact: 2003 was Keynote's public unveiling. Before that, it was a bespoke NeXTSTEP app created for Steve Jobs. (I'm not sure how old proto-Keynote is, but IIRC he'd used it publicly since the late 90s.) More here: https://apple.fandom.com/wiki/Keynote https://apple.fandom.com/wiki/Keynote
nyanpasu64 6y ago
> 1) every app eventually has to integrate with some other app I'd expect that desktop apps give you the ability to read files and write programs to transform them into another format (easier if the two formats are fairly open), whereas for cloud storage, you're left at the mercy of the two apps to develop integration.

by kfk 6y ago

millstone 6y ago

Desktop apps can reach higher quality. Compare e.g. Apple Keynote to Google Slides, the difference is obvious.

leipert 6y ago
Ha. Wanted to counter your argument with: Keynote is older. It is, but just by 3 years, (2003 vs 2006). Depending on the features you use your argument might fall flat though, how do I collaborate on a presentation? How can I easily share a presentation with a set of folks? I like Keynote a lot, but Slides has it’s use cases as well.
- millstone 6y ago
  Keynote actually has pretty great real-time collaboration [1], though it does have more friction than GSlides, not least of which because it requires a Mac. I agree GSlides has its uses. Web apps are good for ephemeral tasks, but I use desktop apps for stuff I care about. 1: https://support.apple.com/guide/keynote/intro-to-collaboration-tan4e89e275c/mac https://support.apple.com/guide/keynote/intro-to-collaborati...
- CharlesW 6y ago
  > Keynote is older. It is, but just by 3 years, (2003 vs 2006). Fun fact: 2003 was Keynote's public unveiling. Before that, it was a bespoke NeXTSTEP app created for Steve Jobs. (I'm not sure how old proto-Keynote is, but IIRC he'd used it publicly since the late 90s.) More here: https://apple.fandom.com/wiki/Keynote https://apple.fandom.com/wiki/Keynote

nyanpasu64 6y ago

> 1) every app eventually has to integrate with some other app I'd expect that desktop apps give you the ability to read files and write programs to transform them into another format (easier if the two formats are fairly open), whereas for cloud storage, you're left at the mercy of the two apps to develop integration.