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Also, to put the double standard here into context, HN comment threads always had plenty of people defending Linus Torvalds tone.

6gvONxR4sf7o 6y ago
And plenty of people attacking him. Every Linus thread has a massive debate about him being an asshole. Just like in this thread there are plenty on each side. Where’s the double standard?
- whimsicalism 6y ago
  A quick look through a few of the last Linus threads and there is a lot more "taking his word as gospel" over calling him an asshole: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23739076 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23739076 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22176032 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22176032 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22005181 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22005181
  - 6gvONxR4sf7o 6y ago
    I was thinking threads from before his big "shit, i'm an asshole, sorry. gonna take time off" phase. Maybe I have a selective memory, but I'm remembering threads from those couple years before and after Susan Fowler and Uber's culture implosion. It felt like there was a shift in how the whole industry felt about brilliant assholes around then (thank god). https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=18000698 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=18000698 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=18083859 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=18083859 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=16508921 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=16508921 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=8415603 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=8415603 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=2372096 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=2372096 I think the threads in articles specifically about Linus are better comparisons to this, rather than articles about computing that involve him. But, hey, folk like Torvalds and Gebru both really rub me the wrong way, so it's reasonable that I might be selectively remembering threads where HN said I'm right and that he's an asshole (and I did a lazy googling of "linus torvalds asshole site:news.ycombinator.com" which is biased too), so who knows.
notSupplied 6y ago
Communities are not monoliths. Otherwise, it would be incredibly easy to charge any sufficiently large community of blatant hypocrisy.

6gvONxR4sf7o 6y ago

And plenty of people attacking him. Every Linus thread has a massive debate about him being an asshole. Just like in this thread there are plenty on each side. Where’s the double standard?

whimsicalism 6y ago
A quick look through a few of the last Linus threads and there is a lot more "taking his word as gospel" over calling him an asshole: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23739076 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23739076 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22176032 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22176032 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22005181 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22005181
- 6gvONxR4sf7o 6y ago
  I was thinking threads from before his big "shit, i'm an asshole, sorry. gonna take time off" phase. Maybe I have a selective memory, but I'm remembering threads from those couple years before and after Susan Fowler and Uber's culture implosion. It felt like there was a shift in how the whole industry felt about brilliant assholes around then (thank god). https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=18000698 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=18000698 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=18083859 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=18083859 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=16508921 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=16508921 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=8415603 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=8415603 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=2372096 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=2372096 I think the threads in articles specifically about Linus are better comparisons to this, rather than articles about computing that involve him. But, hey, folk like Torvalds and Gebru both really rub me the wrong way, so it's reasonable that I might be selectively remembering threads where HN said I'm right and that he's an asshole (and I did a lazy googling of "linus torvalds asshole site:news.ycombinator.com" which is biased too), so who knows.

notSupplied 6y ago

Communities are not monoliths. Otherwise, it would be incredibly easy to charge any sufficiently large community of blatant hypocrisy.