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When was the last time a marginalized group gained rights by asking politely?

dvtrn 6y ago
Even when we do the response is quite often some form of "not like that" or the goalposts get moved back another 40 yards from the back of the endzone.
- Cyph0n 6y ago
  Heck, even kneeling during the national anthem is “too much”...
  - dvtrn 6y ago
    Because it "disrespects the veterans" in some people's eyes. Astonishing, isn't it, that the same people who found issue with Kaepernick's protest probably have never heard the name "Nate Boyer"[1] before-who is both a veteran of the armed forces, and a veteran of the NFL. It's never good enough. [1] https://ftw.usatoday.com/2018/05/nfl-49ers-colin-kaepernick-national-anthem-protest-nate-boyer https://ftw.usatoday.com/2018/05/nfl-49ers-colin-kaepernick-...
    - edgyquant 6y ago
      I’m pretty sure “disrespects the flag” is little more than a strawman to attack instead of them having to discuss the actual point trying to be made.
      - dvtrn 6y ago
        Of course it is.
      - darkarmani 6y ago
        And painting a blue line down the middle of it is the best way to respect the flag. /s
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prionassembly 6y ago
Are we evaluating her as a researcher or as an activist? I’ve read some of her research (that’s on arxiv) and it’s... not on the level that “Google AI researcher” implies. It’s good that they hire from the Humanities, but we tend to smush all academics as if they all had equal rigor and value. Maybe she’s a great activist. Or a great cook. Being it that I’m not into activism, I can’t judge that. ---- Edit: I have to hijack my sudden spike in karma (and, I assume, visibility) to "amplify" some important research milestones in the Humanities that impact the problem of "AI ethics" taken seriously. [General] * Baudrillard - "Forget Foucault" * Delanda - "Philosophy and simulation" [Science and technology issues] * Latour - "The Pasteurization of France" * Latour - "Reassembling the social" * Caillon - "Acting in an uncertain world" [Computers and society] * Various authors - "Software Studies: a lexicon", available here https://monoskop.org/images/a/a1/Fuller_Matthew_ed_Software_Studies_A_Lexicon.pdf https://monoskop.org/images/a/a1/Fuller_Matthew_ed_Software_...
- dvtrn 6y ago
  If you're referencing Baudrillard (points to HN profile), Simulacra and Simulations ought to go up there too, for this technology crowd.
- athms 6y ago
  >It’s good that they hire from the Humanities... Gebru has a BS and MS in electrical engineering, and a PhD in computer science, specializing in artificial intelligence; all from Stanford. After receiving her MS, she worked at Apple's hardware engineering group. After her PhD, she worked Microsoft's AI research lab.
  - prionassembly 6y ago
    That's... surprising. I've read (really read) a handful of her papers on arxiv, and the only that isn't a gooey Problematic Studies fondue has ten coauthors (with her in 5th or 6th place). She really has the lingo down pat. Maybe the problem is precisely that they didn't actually hire from the Humanities? Although the cynic in me thinks they just hired someone with a "SJW" discourse rather than find themselves criticized for their market strategy -- whether their use of their monopoly power is ethical. As it stands it really sounds like they got someone to offer Yann LeCun as a scapegoat for AI products (Amazon Rekognition is infamous); these services then serve as scapegoats for police departments, which...

Even when we do the response is quite often some form of "not like that" or the goalposts get moved back another 40 yards from the back of the endzone.

Cyph0n 6y ago
Heck, even kneeling during the national anthem is “too much”...
- dvtrn 6y ago
  Because it "disrespects the veterans" in some people's eyes. Astonishing, isn't it, that the same people who found issue with Kaepernick's protest probably have never heard the name "Nate Boyer"[1] before-who is both a veteran of the armed forces, and a veteran of the NFL. It's never good enough. [1] https://ftw.usatoday.com/2018/05/nfl-49ers-colin-kaepernick-national-anthem-protest-nate-boyer https://ftw.usatoday.com/2018/05/nfl-49ers-colin-kaepernick-...
  - edgyquant 6y ago
    I’m pretty sure “disrespects the flag” is little more than a strawman to attack instead of them having to discuss the actual point trying to be made.
    - dvtrn 6y ago
      Of course it is.
    - darkarmani 6y ago
      And painting a blue line down the middle of it is the best way to respect the flag. /s

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prionassembly 6y ago

Are we evaluating her as a researcher or as an activist? I’ve read some of her research (that’s on arxiv) and it’s... not on the level that “Google AI researcher” implies. It’s good that they hire from the Humanities, but we tend to smush all academics as if they all had equal rigor and value. Maybe she’s a great activist. Or a great cook. Being it that I’m not into activism, I can’t judge that. ---- Edit: I have to hijack my sudden spike in karma (and, I assume, visibility) to "amplify" some important research milestones in the Humanities that impact the problem of "AI ethics" taken seriously. [General] * Baudrillard - "Forget Foucault" * Delanda - "Philosophy and simulation" [Science and technology issues] * Latour - "The Pasteurization of France" * Latour - "Reassembling the social" * Caillon - "Acting in an uncertain world" [Computers and society] * Various authors - "Software Studies: a lexicon", available here https://monoskop.org/images/a/a1/Fuller_Matthew_ed_Software_Studies_A_Lexicon.pdf https://monoskop.org/images/a/a1/Fuller_Matthew_ed_Software_...

dvtrn 6y ago
If you're referencing Baudrillard (points to HN profile), Simulacra and Simulations ought to go up there too, for this technology crowd.
athms 6y ago
>It’s good that they hire from the Humanities... Gebru has a BS and MS in electrical engineering, and a PhD in computer science, specializing in artificial intelligence; all from Stanford. After receiving her MS, she worked at Apple's hardware engineering group. After her PhD, she worked Microsoft's AI research lab.
- prionassembly 6y ago
  That's... surprising. I've read (really read) a handful of her papers on arxiv, and the only that isn't a gooey Problematic Studies fondue has ten coauthors (with her in 5th or 6th place). She really has the lingo down pat. Maybe the problem is precisely that they didn't actually hire from the Humanities? Although the cynic in me thinks they just hired someone with a "SJW" discourse rather than find themselves criticized for their market strategy -- whether their use of their monopoly power is ethical. As it stands it really sounds like they got someone to offer Yann LeCun as a scapegoat for AI products (Amazon Rekognition is infamous); these services then serve as scapegoats for police departments, which...