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I scare-quoted "tragic" because the tragedy of this pandemic was not the lives lost due to the introduction of a new head cold into our ecosystem - it was the i

I scare-quoted "tragic" because the tragedy of this pandemic was not the lives lost due to the introduction of a new head cold into our ecosystem - it was the illegal, violent, and world-upending implementations of fascism that governments engaged in, essentially declaring war on its own taxpaying citizens. I am in the "epicenter" of the virus - NYC. Everyone I know who has contracted the virus - male, female, old, young, thin, fat, black, and white - had about one day of illness followed by 12 hours of recovery. On day two, all of them awoke to feeling pretty much entirely over it. Anybody who's even remotely healthy has nothing to worry about with this pandemic. If people are truly being killed off by COVID-19, we have much bigger public health problems to be addressing than this stupid virus. By not ever addressing immune system strengthening, healthier diet and lifestyle choices, etc., to fight the virus, we enabled the pharmaceutical companies to continue to herd us in whatever way gives them the best chance at profits. Obviously, it is this group of people to whom our governments are directing their attention. Obviously, these self-interested elites are using government as a vehicle for compulsive adoption, turning huge profits in the meantime. The people that died from COVID were going to die of the very next infectious disease they contracted. To have died of COVID, you had to be on death's door already, or so statistically unlucky as to make your suffering a rounding error. If this is a truly global crisis, we're all fucked anyway. A typical US president amasses a 1mil+ kill count by the end of their first term in office. I am far, far more concerned by these tragic deaths. And I am quite lonely sometimes holding that contention. But I know I am right. Notice how nobody is talking about foreign policy, and hasn't for the entire year, thanks to this pandemic.

scrollaway 6y ago
> Anybody who's even remotely healthy has nothing to worry about with this pandemic. Sincerely, fuck off. I've lost a dear 30 year old, very healthy friend to it. And this is in Europe, not in a broken-healthcare country like the US. This is not an uncommon thing, and others on HN will have the same story as I do. If you want to spread this kind of bullshit, stick to the toilet.
- mikeyouse 6y ago
  Even without direct illness, my ~35yr old relative is a physician running a Covid unit and she is absolutely ruined by all the death that she's seen. She signed over 20 death certificates in one day last week. Just day after day, week after week of 'treating' patients that never get better and who are alone and scared is a massive weight we're putting on everyone in healthcare. The selfishness of this attitude is unconscionable to me.
  - AndrewUnmuted 6y ago
    Death is horrifying. We in the "civilized" world _should_ know this better than anybody. We are shielded from so much death on a daily basis and yet have to deal not at all with the death we shower on others outside our borders. We, the taxpayers from these countries, have been ruthlessly drone-bombing innocents, arming horribly violent terrorists in foreign conflicts, and running shadow campaigns against elected leaders for a century. With extremely few exceptions, just about everybody from a North American or EU country is from a place complicit in these atrocities. There is nothing new about the amount of death we are reported to be dealing with thanks to COVID-19. In fact, it's a walk in the park compared with the last 20 years of American & European foreign policy. Maybe you and your relatives are all just a bit new to the whole "death" thing, but many of us have been aware of it for some time and it just doesn't hold quite the same weight. Once you see a country's ruler getting sodomized by a bayonet until they die, a flu-like illness doesn't really read quite the same as you seem to perceive it.
- hnuser847 6y ago
  Personal attacks are against the rules on HN. I realize you must feel extremely upset over the loss of your friend, but the data is extremely clear on this. A recent study examined the relationship between comorbidities and deaths from COVID. Of the deceased COVID-19 patients in the study, 83.29% had a preexisting comorbidity, while only 16.71% did not.[1] Age is also a major risk factor. According to the CDC's latest numbers, people 65+ account for 79.6% of all COVID deaths in US.[2] [1] https://s3.amazonaws.com/media2.fairhealth.org/whitepaper/asset/Risk%20Factors%20for%20COVID-19%20Mortality%20among%20Privately%20Insured%20Patients%20-%20A%20Claims%20Data%20Analysis%20-%20A%20FAIR%20Health%20White%20Paper.pdf https://s3.amazonaws.com/media2.fairhealth.org/whitepaper/as... [2] https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid_weekly/index.htm https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid_weekly/index.htm
techlaw 6y ago
>Anybody who's even remotely healthy has nothing to worry about with this pandemic. Absolutely untrue: [1]Otherwise healthy people have died from COVID-19. And [2], healthy, asymptomatic carriers have infected friends and family members who have themselves died from it. The parent comment is misleading, dangerous, and should be removed. --- [1]https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-factcheck-covid-19-underlying-idUSKBN22V2YQ https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-factcheck-covid-19-underl... [2]https://www.uchealth.org/today/the-truth-about-asymptomatic-spread-of-covid-19/ https://www.uchealth.org/today/the-truth-about-asymptomatic-... (edited for styling purposes)
- AndrewUnmuted 6y ago
  > Otherwise healthy people have died from COVID-19. I never said they didn't. In fact, I directly acknowledge the healthy cases: >> To have died of COVID, you had to be on death's door already, or so statistically unlucky as to make your suffering a rounding error. Sorry if this was too much of a value judgment for you, but I do not consider any respiratory illness with a less than 0.5% death rate to be something which we need to bring the world to a halt over. I do not think that these unlikely deaths, nor the even more unlikely "asymptomatic spread" purportedly part of this virus's nature, can be used as evidence to the contrary without some actual analysis on your part. You have, thus far, provided none.
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scrollaway 6y ago

> Anybody who's even remotely healthy has nothing to worry about with this pandemic. Sincerely, fuck off. I've lost a dear 30 year old, very healthy friend to it. And this is in Europe, not in a broken-healthcare country like the US. This is not an uncommon thing, and others on HN will have the same story as I do. If you want to spread this kind of bullshit, stick to the toilet.

mikeyouse 6y ago
Even without direct illness, my ~35yr old relative is a physician running a Covid unit and she is absolutely ruined by all the death that she's seen. She signed over 20 death certificates in one day last week. Just day after day, week after week of 'treating' patients that never get better and who are alone and scared is a massive weight we're putting on everyone in healthcare. The selfishness of this attitude is unconscionable to me.
- AndrewUnmuted 6y ago
  Death is horrifying. We in the "civilized" world _should_ know this better than anybody. We are shielded from so much death on a daily basis and yet have to deal not at all with the death we shower on others outside our borders. We, the taxpayers from these countries, have been ruthlessly drone-bombing innocents, arming horribly violent terrorists in foreign conflicts, and running shadow campaigns against elected leaders for a century. With extremely few exceptions, just about everybody from a North American or EU country is from a place complicit in these atrocities. There is nothing new about the amount of death we are reported to be dealing with thanks to COVID-19. In fact, it's a walk in the park compared with the last 20 years of American & European foreign policy. Maybe you and your relatives are all just a bit new to the whole "death" thing, but many of us have been aware of it for some time and it just doesn't hold quite the same weight. Once you see a country's ruler getting sodomized by a bayonet until they die, a flu-like illness doesn't really read quite the same as you seem to perceive it.
hnuser847 6y ago
Personal attacks are against the rules on HN. I realize you must feel extremely upset over the loss of your friend, but the data is extremely clear on this. A recent study examined the relationship between comorbidities and deaths from COVID. Of the deceased COVID-19 patients in the study, 83.29% had a preexisting comorbidity, while only 16.71% did not.[1] Age is also a major risk factor. According to the CDC's latest numbers, people 65+ account for 79.6% of all COVID deaths in US.[2] [1] https://s3.amazonaws.com/media2.fairhealth.org/whitepaper/asset/Risk%20Factors%20for%20COVID-19%20Mortality%20among%20Privately%20Insured%20Patients%20-%20A%20Claims%20Data%20Analysis%20-%20A%20FAIR%20Health%20White%20Paper.pdf https://s3.amazonaws.com/media2.fairhealth.org/whitepaper/as... [2] https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid_weekly/index.htm https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid_weekly/index.htm

techlaw 6y ago

>Anybody who's even remotely healthy has nothing to worry about with this pandemic. Absolutely untrue: [1]Otherwise healthy people have died from COVID-19. And [2], healthy, asymptomatic carriers have infected friends and family members who have themselves died from it. The parent comment is misleading, dangerous, and should be removed. --- [1]https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-factcheck-covid-19-underlying-idUSKBN22V2YQ https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-factcheck-covid-19-underl... [2]https://www.uchealth.org/today/the-truth-about-asymptomatic-spread-of-covid-19/ https://www.uchealth.org/today/the-truth-about-asymptomatic-... (edited for styling purposes)

AndrewUnmuted 6y ago
> Otherwise healthy people have died from COVID-19. I never said they didn't. In fact, I directly acknowledge the healthy cases: >> To have died of COVID, you had to be on death's door already, or so statistically unlucky as to make your suffering a rounding error. Sorry if this was too much of a value judgment for you, but I do not consider any respiratory illness with a less than 0.5% death rate to be something which we need to bring the world to a halt over. I do not think that these unlikely deaths, nor the even more unlikely "asymptomatic spread" purportedly part of this virus's nature, can be used as evidence to the contrary without some actual analysis on your part. You have, thus far, provided none.

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