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> But at the end of the day they have to do what's best for the business Why is an inferior UI good for any business? Unless it's about some dark patterns?

by danjac 6y ago

jedberg 6y ago
To the majority of users it is a superior interface.
- krebsho 6y ago
  just like the majority of americans voted for trump
  - lambda_obrien 6y ago
    That is factually incorrect, as he had millions less than each of his opponents: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016_United_States_presidential_election https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016_United_States_presidentia... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020_United_States_presidential_election https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020_United_States_presidentia...
    - wolco2 6y ago
      And because half of the population didn't vote.
  - krebsho 6y ago
    I forgot the /s.
- deleted 6y ago
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- abc-xyz 6y ago
  Source? If you made old.reddit.com the default layout, how many users do you think would go through the same trouble to use the new.reddit.com layout?
  - jedberg 6y ago
    No they wouldn’t seek out the new interface. They just bounce. When they first launched the new interface some new users got the new one and some new users got the old one. The bounce rate for the new one was lower and the signup rate was higher.
    - blhack 6y ago
      I think this thread should be an important lesson for HN devs: You are not normal. Even the fact that you are likely consuming this website on a computer with its own keyboard, is not as common as it might seem if you surround yourself with other software developers. What you want, and what the majority wants are not the same thing.
    - Spare_account 6y ago
      You were asked for a source though. You've just expanded on your point but without a source. As it happens I am an old.reddit.com dinosaur that finds your argument plausible, but I'm interested to see the data as well.
      - GavinMcG 6y ago
        jedberg is the former chief architect and operations manager of reddit, fyi.
        Spare_account 6y ago
        I'm guilty of not clicking through to the profile page of everyone I reply to
        GavinMcG 6y ago
        I wouldn't say that, and my comment wasn't an accusation. If you want to be guilty of something, I'd say it was approaching the conversation adversarially rather than charitably. "You were asked for a source" treats the other commenter as an inattentive schoolboy, and coming from a place of curiosity with a question like "But how do you know that's actually what happens?" might have done the job just as well.

> But at the end of the day they have to do what's best for the business Why is an inferior UI good for any business? Unless it's about some dark patterns?

by danjac 6y ago

> But at the end of the day they have to do what's best for the business Why is an inferior UI good for any business? Unless it's about some dark patterns?

jedberg 6y ago

To the majority of users it is a superior interface.

krebsho 6y ago
just like the majority of americans voted for trump
- lambda_obrien 6y ago
  That is factually incorrect, as he had millions less than each of his opponents: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016_United_States_presidential_election https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016_United_States_presidentia... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020_United_States_presidential_election https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020_United_States_presidentia...
  - wolco2 6y ago
    And because half of the population didn't vote.
- krebsho 6y ago
  I forgot the /s.
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abc-xyz 6y ago
Source? If you made old.reddit.com the default layout, how many users do you think would go through the same trouble to use the new.reddit.com layout?
- jedberg 6y ago
  No they wouldn’t seek out the new interface. They just bounce. When they first launched the new interface some new users got the new one and some new users got the old one. The bounce rate for the new one was lower and the signup rate was higher.
  - blhack 6y ago
    I think this thread should be an important lesson for HN devs: You are not normal. Even the fact that you are likely consuming this website on a computer with its own keyboard, is not as common as it might seem if you surround yourself with other software developers. What you want, and what the majority wants are not the same thing.
  - Spare_account 6y ago
    You were asked for a source though. You've just expanded on your point but without a source. As it happens I am an old.reddit.com dinosaur that finds your argument plausible, but I'm interested to see the data as well.
    - GavinMcG 6y ago
      jedberg is the former chief architect and operations manager of reddit, fyi.
      - Spare_account 6y ago
        I'm guilty of not clicking through to the profile page of everyone I reply to
        GavinMcG 6y ago
        I wouldn't say that, and my comment wasn't an accusation. If you want to be guilty of something, I'd say it was approaching the conversation adversarially rather than charitably. "You were asked for a source" treats the other commenter as an inattentive schoolboy, and coming from a place of curiosity with a question like "But how do you know that's actually what happens?" might have done the job just as well.