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do you ever see how often “chinese harvesting organs” posts make it to the top? that’s pure Falun Gong propaganda. The only reputable evidence for forced organ

do you ever see how often “chinese harvesting organs” posts make it to the top? that’s pure Falun Gong propaganda. The only reputable evidence for forced organ donation is from legally executed prisoners, a practice which has been stopped. All other sources on the net lead back to Falun Gong propaganda sites. Interesting tidbit is that the Falun Dafa believe their rituals improve their organs so they have the most desirable organs to have harvested.

squeals_colder 6y ago
And here is a perfect example of wumao propaganda. The China Tribunal unanimously concluded that the PRC is without a doubt have been harvesting organs from prisoners of conscience for a substantial period of time[0]. None of the members of the tribunal were Falun Gong practitioners. [0] https://chinatribunal.com/final-judgment/ https://chinatribunal.com/final-judgment/ Just in case this works I'll be sure to include this: 动态网自由门天安門天安门法輪功李洪志 Free Tibet 六四天安門事件 The Tiananmen Square protests of 1989 天安門大屠殺 The Tiananmen Square Massacre 反右派鬥爭 The Anti-Rightist Struggle 大躍進政策 The Great Leap Forward 文化大革命 The Great Proletarian Cultural Revolution 人權 Human Rights 民運 Democratization 自由 Freedom 獨立 Independence 多黨制 Multi-party system 台灣臺灣 Taiwan Formosa 中華民國 Republic of China 西藏土伯特唐古特 Tibet 達賴喇嘛 Dalai Lama 法輪功 Falun Dafa 新疆維吾爾自治區 The Xinjiang Uyghur Autonomous Region 諾貝爾和平獎 Nobel Peace Prize 劉暁波 Liu Xiaobo 民主言論思想反共反革命抗議運動騷亂暴亂騷擾擾亂抗暴平反維權示威游行李洪志法輪大法大法弟子強制斷種強制堕胎民族淨化人體實驗肅清胡耀邦趙紫陽魏京生王丹還政於民和平演變激流中國北京之春大紀元時報九評論共産黨獨裁專制壓制統一監視鎮壓迫害侵略掠奪破壞拷問屠殺活摘器官誘拐買賣人口遊進走私毒品賣淫春畫賭博六合彩天安門天安门法輪功李洪志 Winnie the Pooh 劉曉波动态网自由门 612罢工 612罷工 antiELAB香港遊行香港集會 ExtraditionLaw HK罢工 HK罷工 freeHongKong HK遊行 HK集會 NoChinaExtradition 反送中抗恶法抗惡法 NoExtraditionToChina 引渡逃犯撤回逃犯条例撤回逃犯條例林郑下台林鄭下台林郑月娥林鄭月娥返送中送中条例送中條例通宵遊行香港罢工香港罷工 https://hooktube.com/watch?v=hA4iKSeijZI https://hooktube.com/watch?v=hA4iKSeijZI
- disown 6y ago
  > And here is a perfect example of wumao propaganda. It's been my experience that people who use wumao, chinazi, xitler, etc are propagandists. You should really refrain using those obvious propaganda tells. It makes it impossible to take anything else you write seriously.
  - _underfl0w_ 6y ago
    I have no horse in this race, but generally speaking you should really refrain from teaching propaganda trolls how to be less obvious. Letting them out _themselves_ simplifies life for everyone else.
ourlordcaffeine 6y ago
As a counterpoint, almost every single news story about China, Taiwan or Hong Kong is flooded by users from r/sino and accounts with suspicious histories all using whataboutisms, ad-hominem attacks or just plain old disinformation to change the narrative into a China friendly one. As others have said, the astroturfing is not even subtle.
- dirtyid 6y ago
  As a counter-counterpoint, anti-China voices seems to have calmed dramatically right after the US election ended. Suggesting there was much more anti-China astroturfing around election season. Which is expected considering Trump's entire platform was anti-China, and there's much more anti-China shills than pro-China shills. I too have noticed more pro-China voices on worldnews, but I've monitored and tagged via redditprotools and from my observation these pro-China regulars have been participating for a while, they just used to be more drowned out (suppressed by downvotes) by relatively more dominant anti-China voice. For example, the amount of anti-China users who also actively posted in /r/hongkong has dramatically reduced - hundreds of thousands of low effort HK virtue signallers lost interest. The conversation is balanced now or returned to pre HK drama / post tradewar balance, where pro-China views occasionally get positive reception, whereas before they'd be lucky to be downvoted but controversial. There's still handful of anti-China HKers/TWers making substantive posts, but mostly indian nationalists or generic anti-China-lifers shitposting now. Bluntly, most anti-China voices are low-effort, ignorant haters with poor boilerplate China-bad rhetoric. Pro-China voices are typically Chinese national, or diaspora or adjacent, they have actual experience and knowledge on Chinese related issues from Chinese perspective. At the end of the day /r/50k sino users can't out astroturf 500k /r/hongkong, 200k /r/china and comparably numerous india nationalist. But they do have better rhetoric and are more invested in the debate compared to lol chinabad tier commentary turned persecution complexes because their debunked GFW banned words copypasta didn't cost 50c shills social credit points. Being anti-China isn't immunity from being unhinged.
  - ourlordcaffeine 6y ago
    >But they do have better rhetoric and are more invested in the debate For anyone unfamiliar with r/sino: They believe the Tienanmen Square massacre was justified They believe the Uighur concentration camps are justified They believe an invasion of Taiwan is righteous, and there is generally a lot of extreme vitriol directed at Taiwan and the Taiwanese They believe in and spread a lot of misinformation concerning the HK protests, and there is generally a lot of vitriol aimed at Hong Kongers You are banned if you question the CCP at all, with a most ridiculous ban message. They are just as bad as r/t_d was. Being anti-ccp is also not being an ignorant hater. Looking at their actions, it is a pretty reasonable stance. Also, should be of note to other HN users, there is a reddit account with the name "dirtyid" which has a pro-CCP bias and a very strong anti HK democracy stance.

squeals_colder 6y ago

And here is a perfect example of wumao propaganda. The China Tribunal unanimously concluded that the PRC is without a doubt have been harvesting organs from prisoners of conscience for a substantial period of time[0]. None of the members of the tribunal were Falun Gong practitioners. [0] https://chinatribunal.com/final-judgment/ https://chinatribunal.com/final-judgment/ Just in case this works I'll be sure to include this: 动态网自由门天安門天安门法輪功李洪志 Free Tibet 六四天安門事件 The Tiananmen Square protests of 1989 天安門大屠殺 The Tiananmen Square Massacre 反右派鬥爭 The Anti-Rightist Struggle 大躍進政策 The Great Leap Forward 文化大革命 The Great Proletarian Cultural Revolution 人權 Human Rights 民運 Democratization 自由 Freedom 獨立 Independence 多黨制 Multi-party system 台灣臺灣 Taiwan Formosa 中華民國 Republic of China 西藏土伯特唐古特 Tibet 達賴喇嘛 Dalai Lama 法輪功 Falun Dafa 新疆維吾爾自治區 The Xinjiang Uyghur Autonomous Region 諾貝爾和平獎 Nobel Peace Prize 劉暁波 Liu Xiaobo 民主言論思想反共反革命抗議運動騷亂暴亂騷擾擾亂抗暴平反維權示威游行李洪志法輪大法大法弟子強制斷種強制堕胎民族淨化人體實驗肅清胡耀邦趙紫陽魏京生王丹還政於民和平演變激流中國北京之春大紀元時報九評論共産黨獨裁專制壓制統一監視鎮壓迫害侵略掠奪破壞拷問屠殺活摘器官誘拐買賣人口遊進走私毒品賣淫春畫賭博六合彩天安門天安门法輪功李洪志 Winnie the Pooh 劉曉波动态网自由门 612罢工 612罷工 antiELAB香港遊行香港集會 ExtraditionLaw HK罢工 HK罷工 freeHongKong HK遊行 HK集會 NoChinaExtradition 反送中抗恶法抗惡法 NoExtraditionToChina 引渡逃犯撤回逃犯条例撤回逃犯條例林郑下台林鄭下台林郑月娥林鄭月娥返送中送中条例送中條例通宵遊行香港罢工香港罷工 https://hooktube.com/watch?v=hA4iKSeijZI https://hooktube.com/watch?v=hA4iKSeijZI

disown 6y ago
> And here is a perfect example of wumao propaganda. It's been my experience that people who use wumao, chinazi, xitler, etc are propagandists. You should really refrain using those obvious propaganda tells. It makes it impossible to take anything else you write seriously.
- _underfl0w_ 6y ago
  I have no horse in this race, but generally speaking you should really refrain from teaching propaganda trolls how to be less obvious. Letting them out _themselves_ simplifies life for everyone else.

ourlordcaffeine 6y ago

As a counterpoint, almost every single news story about China, Taiwan or Hong Kong is flooded by users from r/sino and accounts with suspicious histories all using whataboutisms, ad-hominem attacks or just plain old disinformation to change the narrative into a China friendly one. As others have said, the astroturfing is not even subtle.

dirtyid 6y ago
As a counter-counterpoint, anti-China voices seems to have calmed dramatically right after the US election ended. Suggesting there was much more anti-China astroturfing around election season. Which is expected considering Trump's entire platform was anti-China, and there's much more anti-China shills than pro-China shills. I too have noticed more pro-China voices on worldnews, but I've monitored and tagged via redditprotools and from my observation these pro-China regulars have been participating for a while, they just used to be more drowned out (suppressed by downvotes) by relatively more dominant anti-China voice. For example, the amount of anti-China users who also actively posted in /r/hongkong has dramatically reduced - hundreds of thousands of low effort HK virtue signallers lost interest. The conversation is balanced now or returned to pre HK drama / post tradewar balance, where pro-China views occasionally get positive reception, whereas before they'd be lucky to be downvoted but controversial. There's still handful of anti-China HKers/TWers making substantive posts, but mostly indian nationalists or generic anti-China-lifers shitposting now. Bluntly, most anti-China voices are low-effort, ignorant haters with poor boilerplate China-bad rhetoric. Pro-China voices are typically Chinese national, or diaspora or adjacent, they have actual experience and knowledge on Chinese related issues from Chinese perspective. At the end of the day /r/50k sino users can't out astroturf 500k /r/hongkong, 200k /r/china and comparably numerous india nationalist. But they do have better rhetoric and are more invested in the debate compared to lol chinabad tier commentary turned persecution complexes because their debunked GFW banned words copypasta didn't cost 50c shills social credit points. Being anti-China isn't immunity from being unhinged.
- ourlordcaffeine 6y ago
  >But they do have better rhetoric and are more invested in the debate For anyone unfamiliar with r/sino: They believe the Tienanmen Square massacre was justified They believe the Uighur concentration camps are justified They believe an invasion of Taiwan is righteous, and there is generally a lot of extreme vitriol directed at Taiwan and the Taiwanese They believe in and spread a lot of misinformation concerning the HK protests, and there is generally a lot of vitriol aimed at Hong Kongers You are banned if you question the CCP at all, with a most ridiculous ban message. They are just as bad as r/t_d was. Being anti-ccp is also not being an ignorant hater. Looking at their actions, it is a pretty reasonable stance. Also, should be of note to other HN users, there is a reddit account with the name "dirtyid" which has a pro-CCP bias and a very strong anti HK democracy stance.