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That's a huge waste of a doctor to get a note saying someone has the snuffles or diarrhea. In america you have to realize that getting that note would actually

by hobs 6y ago

That's a huge waste of a doctor to get a note saying someone has the snuffles or diarrhea. In america you have to realize that getting that note would actually cost people money and time.

pc86 6y ago
Not only that but how many people can get into a doctor the same day for the note? If they get sick on Monday you're potentially forcing someone to choose between unpaid time off, burning a day of PTO, or going into the doctor's office Wednesday or Thursday (if they're lucky) and saying "I feel find but had a cold Monday, can I get a note?" And how to juggle the logistics of that Wed/Thur doctor's visit with work? I feel like a "sick day pool" or sick days burning PTO is just a shitty way for companies to try to save 0.02% on payroll while simultaneously pissing off the few employees who get burned by the policy. I can honestly say if I had to use PTO for an unexpected illness and it either messed up a vacation or caused me to have some vacation be unpaid, I would leave no matter how happy I was otherwise.
- Mediterraneo10 6y ago
  > Not only that but how many people can get into a doctor the same day for the note? In Finland, where this same system exists, each urban neighborhood has its own local clinic that in large part exists just for this reason: someone feeling ill can call early in the morning, be seen a little later that morning, and get a note that they can show their employer the next day (or whenever they recover).
  - theshrike79 6y ago
    Also in Finland it doesn't need to be a doctor, just a nurse will do some times. (Depends on the employer).
- mamon 6y ago
  > Not only that but how many people can get into a doctor the same day for the note? No, it doesn't work like that in Poland. You can just call it in, saying "I'm sick" and then go to the doctor. Doctor's note can cover up to 3 days before the visit.
  - pc86 6y ago
    I've occasionally been able to get in same day in the US but it's certainly the exception (and I don't live in/near a major metro). A week or more to see a GP wouldn't be uncommon.
    - djrogers 6y ago
      You need a different doc or to get out of your HMO or something. I never have a problem getting in to see a doc same or next day if it’s needed...
  - MaxBarraclough 6y ago
    Additionally, requiring a doctor's note doesn't necessarily mean insisting that unwell people physically leave their homes to visit their doctor.
eeZah7Ux 6y ago
> someone has the snuffles or diarrhea. Or a very serious and debilitating disease! > In america ... that note would actually cost people money Then fix the problem.
Delk 6y ago
Where I live, you can stay at home due to illness for 3 days or so (varies a little) before a doctor's note is required. Often a mild common cold or a diarrhea will ameliorate within a few days. It still feels stupid every time you get past that threshold and still aren't quite healthy enough for work because the cold is just taking a bit longer this time, and you have to go see a doctor just to get the note. Usually employers are paying for basic healthcare, so you wouldn't be paying for the doctor's visit yourself. But of course somebody's still paying, and it is a bit of a waste in cases where medical attention would not be actually needed. But it's not like you have to do that every time; you can compromise by trusting people for a couple of days before requiring that. It's all about compromise.
mamon 6y ago
In Poland there are two differences: 1. Healthcare is government-sponsored, so it costs you nothing 2. There are so called "first-contact doctors", who simply specialize in everyday things like treating common cold, and in more serious cases they would just point you to another, more specialized doctor. Getting appointment on the same or next day is quite easy.
MaxBarraclough 6y ago
That's incidental to my main point. It's reasonable to just use the honour system if, say, at most 3 consecutive sick-days are being taken.

by hobs 6y ago

That's a huge waste of a doctor to get a note saying someone has the snuffles or diarrhea. In america you have to realize that getting that note would actually cost people money and time.

pc86 6y ago

Not only that but how many people can get into a doctor the same day for the note? If they get sick on Monday you're potentially forcing someone to choose between unpaid time off, burning a day of PTO, or going into the doctor's office Wednesday or Thursday (if they're lucky) and saying "I feel find but had a cold Monday, can I get a note?" And how to juggle the logistics of that Wed/Thur doctor's visit with work? I feel like a "sick day pool" or sick days burning PTO is just a shitty way for companies to try to save 0.02% on payroll while simultaneously pissing off the few employees who get burned by the policy. I can honestly say if I had to use PTO for an unexpected illness and it either messed up a vacation or caused me to have some vacation be unpaid, I would leave no matter how happy I was otherwise.

Mediterraneo10 6y ago
> Not only that but how many people can get into a doctor the same day for the note? In Finland, where this same system exists, each urban neighborhood has its own local clinic that in large part exists just for this reason: someone feeling ill can call early in the morning, be seen a little later that morning, and get a note that they can show their employer the next day (or whenever they recover).
- theshrike79 6y ago
  Also in Finland it doesn't need to be a doctor, just a nurse will do some times. (Depends on the employer).
mamon 6y ago
> Not only that but how many people can get into a doctor the same day for the note? No, it doesn't work like that in Poland. You can just call it in, saying "I'm sick" and then go to the doctor. Doctor's note can cover up to 3 days before the visit.
- pc86 6y ago
  I've occasionally been able to get in same day in the US but it's certainly the exception (and I don't live in/near a major metro). A week or more to see a GP wouldn't be uncommon.
  - djrogers 6y ago
    You need a different doc or to get out of your HMO or something. I never have a problem getting in to see a doc same or next day if it’s needed...
- MaxBarraclough 6y ago
  Additionally, requiring a doctor's note doesn't necessarily mean insisting that unwell people physically leave their homes to visit their doctor.

eeZah7Ux 6y ago

> someone has the snuffles or diarrhea. Or a very serious and debilitating disease! > In america ... that note would actually cost people money Then fix the problem.

Delk 6y ago

Where I live, you can stay at home due to illness for 3 days or so (varies a little) before a doctor's note is required. Often a mild common cold or a diarrhea will ameliorate within a few days. It still feels stupid every time you get past that threshold and still aren't quite healthy enough for work because the cold is just taking a bit longer this time, and you have to go see a doctor just to get the note. Usually employers are paying for basic healthcare, so you wouldn't be paying for the doctor's visit yourself. But of course somebody's still paying, and it is a bit of a waste in cases where medical attention would not be actually needed. But it's not like you have to do that every time; you can compromise by trusting people for a couple of days before requiring that. It's all about compromise.

mamon 6y ago

In Poland there are two differences: 1. Healthcare is government-sponsored, so it costs you nothing 2. There are so called "first-contact doctors", who simply specialize in everyday things like treating common cold, and in more serious cases they would just point you to another, more specialized doctor. Getting appointment on the same or next day is quite easy.

MaxBarraclough 6y ago

That's incidental to my main point. It's reasonable to just use the honour system if, say, at most 3 consecutive sick-days are being taken.