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It isn't a reasonable policy at all. If you are sick for weeks you have no vacation time. That's bad for everyone involved.

by Blahah 6y ago

donatj 6y ago
I'm pretty sure the people ITT are going to disagree with me, but vacation is a luxury, sick days are a necessity. If I missed weeks of work I wouldn't also take a vacation that year regardless.
- MereInterest 6y ago
  Interesting axiomatic basis for your argument, and thank you for explaining where we are seeing differences. You are correct that I would disagree with you on that, and place both as necessities. Sick days are necessary for short-term physical and mental health. Vacation days are necessary for long-term mental health. If you missed weeks of work from an illness, those weeks aren't time where you could see family, see the world, relax, and be human. They don't satisfy the same long-term needs as fully-disconnected vacation time satisfies.
- caskstrength 6y ago
  >If I missed weeks of work I wouldn't also take a vacation that year regardless. Why wouldn't you?
- cr1895 6y ago
  >vacation is a luxury, sick days are a necessity. In many places (Europe, generally?), vacation days are earned. At least in the Netherlands if you were absent for weeks due to illness (for which there is no fixed pool of days), and decided not to take any vacation days, you'd either have some of your vacation days rolled over to the next year or they'd be paid out to you with salary and taxed. It's not a luxury in the slightest. You'd have earned them just as you earned your wages.
  - ciceryadam 6y ago
    How's it in Netherlands in case of long term sickness? In Czech Republic we have the time off accrued based on worked hours. If you are out sick 2 weeks, you don't earn holiday time for these days. So instead of they yearly 25 days off you'll only have 24. But parental leave is considered as work, so if you come back after your parental leave, you have your full amount.
    - cr1895 6y ago
      >In Czech Republic we have the time off accrued based on worked hours. There's no distinction, at least not with the statutory holidays. You earn them as you earn your wages and there is no adjustment for illness.

It isn't a reasonable policy at all. If you are sick for weeks you have no vacation time. That's bad for everyone involved.

by Blahah 6y ago

It isn't a reasonable policy at all. If you are sick for weeks you have no vacation time. That's bad for everyone involved.

donatj 6y ago

I'm pretty sure the people ITT are going to disagree with me, but vacation is a luxury, sick days are a necessity. If I missed weeks of work I wouldn't also take a vacation that year regardless.

MereInterest 6y ago
Interesting axiomatic basis for your argument, and thank you for explaining where we are seeing differences. You are correct that I would disagree with you on that, and place both as necessities. Sick days are necessary for short-term physical and mental health. Vacation days are necessary for long-term mental health. If you missed weeks of work from an illness, those weeks aren't time where you could see family, see the world, relax, and be human. They don't satisfy the same long-term needs as fully-disconnected vacation time satisfies.
caskstrength 6y ago
>If I missed weeks of work I wouldn't also take a vacation that year regardless. Why wouldn't you?
cr1895 6y ago
>vacation is a luxury, sick days are a necessity. In many places (Europe, generally?), vacation days are earned. At least in the Netherlands if you were absent for weeks due to illness (for which there is no fixed pool of days), and decided not to take any vacation days, you'd either have some of your vacation days rolled over to the next year or they'd be paid out to you with salary and taxed. It's not a luxury in the slightest. You'd have earned them just as you earned your wages.
- ciceryadam 6y ago
  How's it in Netherlands in case of long term sickness? In Czech Republic we have the time off accrued based on worked hours. If you are out sick 2 weeks, you don't earn holiday time for these days. So instead of they yearly 25 days off you'll only have 24. But parental leave is considered as work, so if you come back after your parental leave, you have your full amount.
  - cr1895 6y ago
    >In Czech Republic we have the time off accrued based on worked hours. There's no distinction, at least not with the statutory holidays. You earn them as you earn your wages and there is no adjustment for illness.