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My uneducated perception is that the most effective factor seems to be the people's own adapted behaviour itself. When the situation gets worse then not only t
by yason 6y ago
My uneducated perception is that the most effective factor seems to be the people's own adapted behaviour itself.
When the situation gets worse then not only the top smartest people but also larger masses begin to take it more seriously to protect themselves, keeping distance, and omitting trips and reducing contacts.
This obviously doesn't apply to careless people or "non-believers" but they wouldn't be much affected by regulations either. So there's always (hopefully) a minority of the population where the virus can spread more easily but once the majority successfully does react it will show positively in the growth curves within about 10 days.
Coincidentally this is also the same time where governments impose strong recommendations or even enforce counter measures. Mandatory shutdowns of cafes and restaurants might seem an effective ordinance but the truth is that by that time most people already refrain from going to crowded places such as cafes and restaurants. And usually there's at least a few points of empirical data from neighbouring countries that those same counter-measures alone won't help limiting the growth if the people themselves aren't in it. It only takes one mask-wearing country to not recover from infection growth in order to make it questionable whether masks help much at all.
Keeping distance seems much more effective than masks. In reality, I've seen that when masks became common place people partially reverted back to flocking together and not respecting a good radius of personal space anymore. Masks probably won't hurt if you need to be close to other people but it would be much, much better to keep the distance in the first place.
- hu3 6y agoThe extra care makes a difference. Anedoctally my family did not catch cold or flu since first hearing about the possibility of the pandemy. At least not symptomatic. > When the situation gets worse then not only the top smartest people but also larger masses begin to take it more seriously to protect themselves, keeping distance, and omitting trips and reducing contacts.
- forest_dweller 6y ago> Keeping distance seems much more effective than masks. In reality, I've seen that when masks became common place people partially reverted back to flocking together and not respecting a good radius of personal space anymore. Masks probably won't hurt if you need to be close to other people but it would be much, much better to keep the distance in the first place. I've noticed this when visiting the shops daily when I get my lunch. Before mask were mandated, almost everyone kept each other at a distance. Since mask wearing people have barely bothered. I've mentioned this to friends on my discord server. Some are from Europe or elsewhere in the UK and they have noticed the same.
- mdorazio 6y agoIs it not possible that this is a time-related effect rather than a mask-related one? As the pandemic has gone on over the last 6+ months, people have grown tired of the measures, especially given the low mortality rates in most places. For your point to be true, you'd have to compare mask wearing and not mask wearing practices at basically the same point in time rather than weeks or months apart.
- forest_dweller 6y agoYou could be right, it could be a combination of both. We probably won't ever know for sure.
- jokethrowaway 6y agoI can confirm it's the same in UK and Italy, people with masks don't keep their distance. Also it's not only smart people who don't get infected. Think about anyone with kids , anyone doing a job in which they face more people.
- mdorazio 6y agoCounterpoint: in the US I mostly see people who don't wear masks not keeping their distance and still wanting to shake hands because they simply aren't afraid of Covid at all. The mask-wearing people I see here are more likely to practice distancing and reduced contact.