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I could take or leave 4k, but at least 2k (~2560x1440)? Having their 2020 high-end 15.6" maxing out at 1080p is just ridiculous and I'd probably have bought at

by 3np 6y ago

I could take or leave 4k, but at least 2k (~2560x1440)? Having their 2020 high-end 15.6" maxing out at 1080p is just ridiculous and I'd probably have bought at least one of their laptops if they had a sub-2kg model with just one step up in resolution.

wly_cdgr 6y ago
Anything above 1080p doesn't give you any more usable screen space at that physical size. It's very debatable whether just having richer blacks is worth the battery life hit.
- 3np 6y ago
  Speaking from experience and having played around with fonts, scaling and DPI, I still feel a bit hampered switching back to my Thinkpad t470s (14" 1080p) from a long time on my t490s (14" 1440p). I do use pretty small terminal fonts.
- crispyporkbites 6y ago
  yes it does. the market clearly wants higher res screens, that's why "Retina Display" has been a major marketing point for Apple for years, and you literally haven't been able to buy a Macbook with a 1080p screen for years. This is not even for tech enthusiasts or professional uses, it's basic tablestakes in the market now.
  - npongratz 6y ago
    > you literally haven't been able to buy a Macbook with a 1080p screen for years. You are technically right, but to be fair, it has been barely more than one year. Apple sold their 2017 model of the 13" MacBook Air, 1440x900, in July 2019: https://web.archive.org/web/20190708170222/https://www.apple.com/shop/buy-mac/macbook-air https://web.archive.org/web/20190708170222/https://www.apple...
  - wayneftw 6y ago
    No it doesn't. There are mostly PC laptops with 1080p precisely because of people like me who only want 1080p because more pixels are pretty useless. Have you actually shopped for one recently? Top hits on Amazon are all FHD. > "Retina Display" has been a major marketing point for Apple for years... Exactly. And that's all it is - marketing, particularly for egoists who want to feel like they're better however they can. The vast majority of the market, mostly those who don't use Macs, don't give a shit.
    - mrtranscendence 6y ago
      Eh? It’s not useless and it’s not all marketing, and it’s certainly not all about feeling superior. I feel like you’re projecting. It’s completely simple: I enjoy reading content on a higher res screen. It’s clearer and easier on my eyes. That’s all there is to it.
      - wayneftw 6y ago
        Right, because Mac users aren't generally known for carrying around this air of superiority by saying things like "everybody wants what I have with my Retina/M1/touchpad gestures/etc." If you like the way text looks on a Retina display just say that. Instead you're here on a thread about a PC product that you'll probably never use, acting like anyone that doesn't have a 4k display must be missing out. (You're right, I must be projecting :) Personally, I like desktop rigs with 1080p, a 5 button vertical mouse and 32-64gb of RAM in a quiet private office. I don't optimize for working on planes, trains and in meetings even though I do own a PC and Mac laptop as well... Look at all the top listings here though- they're all FHD. Nobody cares about 4K on a laptop display - https://www.amazon.com/s?k=laptop&ref=nb_sb_noss https://www.amazon.com/s?k=laptop&ref=nb_sb_noss
        3np 6y ago
        I see two on the top page with 2k. But none with >16GB RAM and they’re all Windows - guess only egotistic people want Linux and 32GB RAM? Some people do make use of a higher res screen, just because you don’t doesn’t make it useless. I haven’t wanted or owned an Apple computer for 10 years.
  - notreallytrue 6y ago
    It doesn't Retina display are simply more dense but add nothing to the screen real estate , nobody uses them at 1x I bet many don't even know that every pixel they see is actually 4 pixels on the monitor Better have a larger monitor than a 13 inches packed with useless and expensive pixels
WhyNotHugo 6y ago
Yeah, I’ve terrible vision, and I can still tell the lack of sharpness at 15” 1920. Actually, the lack of sharpness makes it even harder to read.

by 3np 6y ago

wly_cdgr 6y ago

Anything above 1080p doesn't give you any more usable screen space at that physical size. It's very debatable whether just having richer blacks is worth the battery life hit.

3np 6y ago
Speaking from experience and having played around with fonts, scaling and DPI, I still feel a bit hampered switching back to my Thinkpad t470s (14" 1080p) from a long time on my t490s (14" 1440p). I do use pretty small terminal fonts.
crispyporkbites 6y ago
yes it does. the market clearly wants higher res screens, that's why "Retina Display" has been a major marketing point for Apple for years, and you literally haven't been able to buy a Macbook with a 1080p screen for years. This is not even for tech enthusiasts or professional uses, it's basic tablestakes in the market now.
- npongratz 6y ago
  > you literally haven't been able to buy a Macbook with a 1080p screen for years. You are technically right, but to be fair, it has been barely more than one year. Apple sold their 2017 model of the 13" MacBook Air, 1440x900, in July 2019: https://web.archive.org/web/20190708170222/https://www.apple.com/shop/buy-mac/macbook-air https://web.archive.org/web/20190708170222/https://www.apple...
- wayneftw 6y ago
  No it doesn't. There are mostly PC laptops with 1080p precisely because of people like me who only want 1080p because more pixels are pretty useless. Have you actually shopped for one recently? Top hits on Amazon are all FHD. > "Retina Display" has been a major marketing point for Apple for years... Exactly. And that's all it is - marketing, particularly for egoists who want to feel like they're better however they can. The vast majority of the market, mostly those who don't use Macs, don't give a shit.
  - mrtranscendence 6y ago
    Eh? It’s not useless and it’s not all marketing, and it’s certainly not all about feeling superior. I feel like you’re projecting. It’s completely simple: I enjoy reading content on a higher res screen. It’s clearer and easier on my eyes. That’s all there is to it.
    - wayneftw 6y ago
      Right, because Mac users aren't generally known for carrying around this air of superiority by saying things like "everybody wants what I have with my Retina/M1/touchpad gestures/etc." If you like the way text looks on a Retina display just say that. Instead you're here on a thread about a PC product that you'll probably never use, acting like anyone that doesn't have a 4k display must be missing out. (You're right, I must be projecting :) Personally, I like desktop rigs with 1080p, a 5 button vertical mouse and 32-64gb of RAM in a quiet private office. I don't optimize for working on planes, trains and in meetings even though I do own a PC and Mac laptop as well... Look at all the top listings here though- they're all FHD. Nobody cares about 4K on a laptop display - https://www.amazon.com/s?k=laptop&ref=nb_sb_noss https://www.amazon.com/s?k=laptop&ref=nb_sb_noss
      - 3np 6y ago
        I see two on the top page with 2k. But none with >16GB RAM and they’re all Windows - guess only egotistic people want Linux and 32GB RAM? Some people do make use of a higher res screen, just because you don’t doesn’t make it useless. I haven’t wanted or owned an Apple computer for 10 years.
- notreallytrue 6y ago
  It doesn't Retina display are simply more dense but add nothing to the screen real estate , nobody uses them at 1x I bet many don't even know that every pixel they see is actually 4 pixels on the monitor Better have a larger monitor than a 13 inches packed with useless and expensive pixels

WhyNotHugo 6y ago

Yeah, I’ve terrible vision, and I can still tell the lack of sharpness at 15” 1920. Actually, the lack of sharpness makes it even harder to read.