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There is absolutely 0% chance I'll be letting that anywhere near my family. And I was a biomedical scientist formerly. Over my dead body (one way or another).

Shared404 6y ago
> There is absolutely 0% chance I'll be letting that anywhere near my family. I hope any children you may have are 18. > And I was a biomedical scientist formerly. Well we can see why it was formerly. > Over my dead body (one way or another). Could we maybe avoid putting others at risk?
- FruityCoconut 6y ago
  >Could we maybe avoid putting others at risk? I agree. Let's not inject people with experimental vaccines rushed to market under significant political pressure. Let's not pressure strangers' decisions either way. Far more money in this career path. I've made more some days writing junk code than I ever made in a year in a lab. It's easy to see why some scientists might be incentivised by external factors...
  - Shared404 6y ago
    > Let's not inject people with experimental vaccines rushed to market under significant political pressure. I'm less worried about political pressure, and more worried about the very real pressure being applied by the virus. There have been tests which have been safe thus far, and in my opinion there is less risk in moving forward with testing and distribution of the vaccines then not doing so. > Let's not pressure strangers' decisions either way. I'm of mixed feelings on this, and my overall opinion is that it depends on who all is able to take the vaccine. If there are few restrictions, maybe this would be okay. However, if there are enough restrictions that there will be a sizable number of people who cannot take it, we need to get as many as possible out to try to protect them. [Edit: This is referring to legal pressure. I am of the opinion that it is not unreasonable to encourage others to take vaccines if they are able.] > Far more money in this career path. I've made more some days writing junk code than I ever made in a year in a lab. It's easy to see why some scientists might be incentivised by external factors... First of all, I'd like to apologize for my ad hominem attack earlier. That was uncalled for. Second, I find it hard to believe that scientists would be pushed to do something actually dangerous on this sort of scale, and like I said earlier, I find the idea of not combating the virus more dangerous then moving forward as quickly with vaccines as can be safely done. However, it's quite possible that I just have too much faith left in humanity.
mandelbrotwurst 6y ago
Why?
- FruityCoconut 6y ago
  The risks far outweigh the rewards. We're deliberately injecting ourselves with foreign genetic material that hijacks our cells' machinery to produce viral proteins by design. For my consent, I don't have anywhere near enough faith yet in the people hastily developing such technology, their employers striving to be first to market, or the bureaucrats desperate to give their electorates the impression that they have everything under control. Maybe if I lived in a large, diverse city, I would be forced to consider it (I would far more likely move my family somewhere safer). But where I am fortunate to live, it makes absolutely no sense.

Shared404 6y ago

> There is absolutely 0% chance I'll be letting that anywhere near my family. I hope any children you may have are 18. > And I was a biomedical scientist formerly. Well we can see why it was formerly. > Over my dead body (one way or another). Could we maybe avoid putting others at risk?

FruityCoconut 6y ago
>Could we maybe avoid putting others at risk? I agree. Let's not inject people with experimental vaccines rushed to market under significant political pressure. Let's not pressure strangers' decisions either way. Far more money in this career path. I've made more some days writing junk code than I ever made in a year in a lab. It's easy to see why some scientists might be incentivised by external factors...
- Shared404 6y ago
  > Let's not inject people with experimental vaccines rushed to market under significant political pressure. I'm less worried about political pressure, and more worried about the very real pressure being applied by the virus. There have been tests which have been safe thus far, and in my opinion there is less risk in moving forward with testing and distribution of the vaccines then not doing so. > Let's not pressure strangers' decisions either way. I'm of mixed feelings on this, and my overall opinion is that it depends on who all is able to take the vaccine. If there are few restrictions, maybe this would be okay. However, if there are enough restrictions that there will be a sizable number of people who cannot take it, we need to get as many as possible out to try to protect them. [Edit: This is referring to legal pressure. I am of the opinion that it is not unreasonable to encourage others to take vaccines if they are able.] > Far more money in this career path. I've made more some days writing junk code than I ever made in a year in a lab. It's easy to see why some scientists might be incentivised by external factors... First of all, I'd like to apologize for my ad hominem attack earlier. That was uncalled for. Second, I find it hard to believe that scientists would be pushed to do something actually dangerous on this sort of scale, and like I said earlier, I find the idea of not combating the virus more dangerous then moving forward as quickly with vaccines as can be safely done. However, it's quite possible that I just have too much faith left in humanity.

mandelbrotwurst 6y ago

Why?

FruityCoconut 6y ago
The risks far outweigh the rewards. We're deliberately injecting ourselves with foreign genetic material that hijacks our cells' machinery to produce viral proteins by design. For my consent, I don't have anywhere near enough faith yet in the people hastily developing such technology, their employers striving to be first to market, or the bureaucrats desperate to give their electorates the impression that they have everything under control. Maybe if I lived in a large, diverse city, I would be forced to consider it (I would far more likely move my family somewhere safer). But where I am fortunate to live, it makes absolutely no sense.