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I think author (and other folks who have this vim+tmux+other tools type of workflow) would really like Emacs, especially Org mode. I have a very similar set of

I think author (and other folks who have this vim+tmux+other tools type of workflow) would really like Emacs, especially Org mode. I have a very similar set of tools for a pure-Emacs workflow to this: - org-roam - org-noter - persp mode with persistent sessions - vterm + eshell - various plugins for org bibtex / latex All of this in Doom Emacs gives me the same functionality. I do admit that it took a large amount of time for me to cultivate this over several years, as it does for most workflows. It's very hard to jump ship, even when the grass may be objectively greener, because one has to actually be productive today instead of postponing until one's fonts are just right and keybindings are perfect!

marci 6y ago
Have you heard about Org-roam-bibtex ? https://github.com/org-roam/org-roam-bibtex https://github.com/org-roam/org-roam-bibtex https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wy9WvF5gWYg https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wy9WvF5gWYg Org-roam-bibtex - Quick Presentation
desmap 6y ago
Tried so many times to get into emacs (3 or 4 times) and once into org mode. It unfortunately never made click despite my love for any kind of terminal app and also competition in this space. Just emacs lisp would be the reason to switch from vimscript but again I just couldn't get warm with emacs. Also I think that the paradigm of modal editing is key to editing, not because I am used it, it just makes sense to have the myriad of functions of an editor easily reachable without too many modifiers. Coding isn't about just writing code but a lot about thinking, editing, staring at code, thinking, editing, jumping, f, /, yy's, dd's, ct, etc. I use modifiers heavily, way more than the typical ctrl/alt, but again to have an extra dedicated mode is crucial, so I can't imagine how any non-modal editor, eg emacs, can excel re UX like vim or nvim do. There must be reason that even the emacs community itself promotes spacemacs, which follows that paradigm, so much. But for some spacemacs is a layer too much adding unnecessary complexity. Besides, vim is also so popular because it's fast, load time, editing, anything. Whatever, put me into any text field without modal binds and I am pretty much handicapped but maybe I might just missed emacs' hidden qualities. Trying emacs feels going one step back (when coming from modal editing). Edit: Don't get me wrong, this shouldn't qualify as offense but every time I read some random emacs praise on the net, I never know if I should give emacs another try or if it's just a vocal minority who never experienced proper modal editing and I just should move on.
- RaycatRakittra 6y ago
  I would give it another shot. I was a Vim zealot that converted over with Spacemacs, but I ditched Spacemacs once I knew the names of the packages I used the most. The package `evil` is enough to satisfy your modal editing needs (perhaps you already knew about it). Anything that doesn't fit your workflow can be changed to fit into that same modal editing paradigm. It just takes time but it's worth it in my humble opinion. Just remember: Emacs' main strength comes from how malleable and extensible it can be. Give it time; don't jump ship after a few bumps. Patch it up with some Elisp and keep sailing.
  - desmap 6y ago
    > It just takes time but it's worth it in my humble opinion. But why? Because I have a better scripting language? Are there more benefits beyond having lisp?
    - RaycatRakittra 6y ago
      That's really gonna come down to your workflow and use cases. For me, the Lisp is a bit more welcoming than VimScript for me. It's much easier to test out a small snippet of something in-buffer which might grow into something else. But, putting Lisp aside, going through the growing pains was worth it for me because of org-mode. I'm certain Vim might have something similar but the proper `org` package is definitely on my list of benefits. I have an org-file that tracks my time and generates invoices with a click of a button. Another one documents all the API calls in another project with interactive areas, thanks to org-babel. I think being able to craft documents like this is invaluable but again, it's gonna come down to how you do work and what makes you happy/efficient.
      - desmap 6y ago
        > It's much easier to test out a small snippet of something in-buffer which might grow into something else. Ok, here you got me and I'm about to try it another time. But then again I remember the slow loading times, the weaker ecosystem (is the lsp implementation as good and fast as coc-vim?) but whatever, maybe I should give it a try with evil mode. But there are so many other cool things waiting to be learned...
cyrialize 6y ago
Org-mode is amazing. If you're on iOS I highly recommend beorg https://beorgapp.com/ https://beorgapp.com/. In my opinion it's the best app for org on the go (including android).

marci 6y ago

Have you heard about Org-roam-bibtex ? https://github.com/org-roam/org-roam-bibtex https://github.com/org-roam/org-roam-bibtex https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wy9WvF5gWYg https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wy9WvF5gWYg Org-roam-bibtex - Quick Presentation

desmap 6y ago

Tried so many times to get into emacs (3 or 4 times) and once into org mode. It unfortunately never made click despite my love for any kind of terminal app and also competition in this space. Just emacs lisp would be the reason to switch from vimscript but again I just couldn't get warm with emacs. Also I think that the paradigm of modal editing is key to editing, not because I am used it, it just makes sense to have the myriad of functions of an editor easily reachable without too many modifiers. Coding isn't about just writing code but a lot about thinking, editing, staring at code, thinking, editing, jumping, f, /, yy's, dd's, ct, etc. I use modifiers heavily, way more than the typical ctrl/alt, but again to have an extra dedicated mode is crucial, so I can't imagine how any non-modal editor, eg emacs, can excel re UX like vim or nvim do. There must be reason that even the emacs community itself promotes spacemacs, which follows that paradigm, so much. But for some spacemacs is a layer too much adding unnecessary complexity. Besides, vim is also so popular because it's fast, load time, editing, anything. Whatever, put me into any text field without modal binds and I am pretty much handicapped but maybe I might just missed emacs' hidden qualities. Trying emacs feels going one step back (when coming from modal editing). Edit: Don't get me wrong, this shouldn't qualify as offense but every time I read some random emacs praise on the net, I never know if I should give emacs another try or if it's just a vocal minority who never experienced proper modal editing and I just should move on.

RaycatRakittra 6y ago
I would give it another shot. I was a Vim zealot that converted over with Spacemacs, but I ditched Spacemacs once I knew the names of the packages I used the most. The package `evil` is enough to satisfy your modal editing needs (perhaps you already knew about it). Anything that doesn't fit your workflow can be changed to fit into that same modal editing paradigm. It just takes time but it's worth it in my humble opinion. Just remember: Emacs' main strength comes from how malleable and extensible it can be. Give it time; don't jump ship after a few bumps. Patch it up with some Elisp and keep sailing.
- desmap 6y ago
  > It just takes time but it's worth it in my humble opinion. But why? Because I have a better scripting language? Are there more benefits beyond having lisp?
  - RaycatRakittra 6y ago
    That's really gonna come down to your workflow and use cases. For me, the Lisp is a bit more welcoming than VimScript for me. It's much easier to test out a small snippet of something in-buffer which might grow into something else. But, putting Lisp aside, going through the growing pains was worth it for me because of org-mode. I'm certain Vim might have something similar but the proper `org` package is definitely on my list of benefits. I have an org-file that tracks my time and generates invoices with a click of a button. Another one documents all the API calls in another project with interactive areas, thanks to org-babel. I think being able to craft documents like this is invaluable but again, it's gonna come down to how you do work and what makes you happy/efficient.
    - desmap 6y ago
      > It's much easier to test out a small snippet of something in-buffer which might grow into something else. Ok, here you got me and I'm about to try it another time. But then again I remember the slow loading times, the weaker ecosystem (is the lsp implementation as good and fast as coc-vim?) but whatever, maybe I should give it a try with evil mode. But there are so many other cool things waiting to be learned...

cyrialize 6y ago

Org-mode is amazing. If you're on iOS I highly recommend beorg https://beorgapp.com/ https://beorgapp.com/. In my opinion it's the best app for org on the go (including android).