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> It's also an opportunity to excuse ageism. Yep!

by tomcat27 6y ago

WarOnPrivacy 6y ago
That unintended benefit seems to be found in most every hiring process.
- tomcat27 6y ago
  I guess companies do very tough interview to justify high salary. Let's say Google and some-small-shop have same interview for exactly same job position and responsibilities, and only one of them pays really well.. I am quite curious how the economics of market will shape out
gameswithgo 6y ago
nonsense. its your one chance to defeat ageism by just winning the fucking game.
- dvtrn 6y ago
  "the game" is something I think some older folks are tired of playing. https://dev.to/bytebodger/why-older-people-struggle-in-programming-jobs-1pj0 https://dev.to/bytebodger/why-older-people-struggle-in-progr...
- tomcat27 6y ago
  let me guess you are under 30? when someone has a spouse, two kids, a mortgage to pay, a whole bunch of daily chores to finish, pressure from manager to finish under tight deadlines, a simple depth first search looks like a very big problem at the end of the day. People pay cognitive tax that robs them from doing intellectually difficult tasks. This is well documented in behavioral economics. "Scarcity: Why Having Too Little Means So Much by Sendhil Mullainathan and Eldar Shafir"
beagle3 6y ago
When I hire, I would be happier to hire older (>40) engineers; they have more experience, they are usually done with job hopping, and are also mostly done with resumė stuffing and buzzword bingos that includes the latest framework. However, it seems that those older people that I want are not actually looking for a job - they either found their endgame in tech or realized that they have to go to management/consulting for better salary and control. Many of the 20-years of experience that do apply are better described as “having 20 times the same 1-year experience”. They are not any better than a recent grad despite those 20 years, but they lack the energy and expect much higher pay and automatic respect for their opinions. The rare older engineer who wants to keep doing technical work, has learned from their experience, and can actually deliver is very valuable. Many people describe themselves in this population and complain of ageism but very few actually are.

> It's also an opportunity to excuse ageism. Yep!

WarOnPrivacy 6y ago

That unintended benefit seems to be found in most every hiring process.

tomcat27 6y ago
I guess companies do very tough interview to justify high salary. Let's say Google and some-small-shop have same interview for exactly same job position and responsibilities, and only one of them pays really well.. I am quite curious how the economics of market will shape out

gameswithgo 6y ago

nonsense. its your one chance to defeat ageism by just winning the fucking game.

dvtrn 6y ago
"the game" is something I think some older folks are tired of playing. https://dev.to/bytebodger/why-older-people-struggle-in-programming-jobs-1pj0 https://dev.to/bytebodger/why-older-people-struggle-in-progr...
tomcat27 6y ago
let me guess you are under 30? when someone has a spouse, two kids, a mortgage to pay, a whole bunch of daily chores to finish, pressure from manager to finish under tight deadlines, a simple depth first search looks like a very big problem at the end of the day. People pay cognitive tax that robs them from doing intellectually difficult tasks. This is well documented in behavioral economics. "Scarcity: Why Having Too Little Means So Much by Sendhil Mullainathan and Eldar Shafir"

beagle3 6y ago

When I hire, I would be happier to hire older (>40) engineers; they have more experience, they are usually done with job hopping, and are also mostly done with resumė stuffing and buzzword bingos that includes the latest framework. However, it seems that those older people that I want are not actually looking for a job - they either found their endgame in tech or realized that they have to go to management/consulting for better salary and control. Many of the 20-years of experience that do apply are better described as “having 20 times the same 1-year experience”. They are not any better than a recent grad despite those 20 years, but they lack the energy and expect much higher pay and automatic respect for their opinions. The rare older engineer who wants to keep doing technical work, has learned from their experience, and can actually deliver is very valuable. Many people describe themselves in this population and complain of ageism but very few actually are.