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People can read the thread for themselves and decide. I see a quote tweet from Timnit with "I'm sick of this framing...listen to us", then misquoting what he s

People can read the thread for themselves and decide. I see a quote tweet from Timnit with "I'm sick of this framing...listen to us", then misquoting what he said. Ignoring his replies and then following up with "I'm disengaging for my sanity...not worth my time...Maybe your colleagues will try to educate you..." etc. She attacks him (so he replies) and then she ignores him and talks down to him. I don't have a dog in this fight, I'm just an outside person reading this - I suspect most people reading that thread would think Timnit's tweets are obnoxious. Imagine if the people were switched. I wouldn't want to work with someone who argues that way when they disagree.

joshuamorton 6y ago
Yes, you've made your position clear. I'm simply asking that you acknowledge that not everyone agrees with you, instead of making sweeping statements that no matter your opinion, Timnit was "obnoxious". You have your view of the events, I'm not trying to convince you to change it. I'm simply saying that other people disagree. No need to continue to try and justify yourself.
- fossuser 6y ago
  Of course - there will almost always be some amount of people that disagree with any position. That doesn’t make all positions equally valid. Stating that others disagree seems like a banality? Obviously this is the case, just look at this thread and Twitter. I just think they’re wrong. I think attempting to explain why I think the way I do is kind of the point of the discussion. If I can’t justify it then I’d want to change my mind.
- dash2 6y ago
  I think the quotes given are persuasive evidence, though. “I’m disengaging for my sanity”?
chrisdirkis 6y ago
Not to get too heated or anything, but the framing of "People can read the thread for themselves and decide." concerns me. Saying "I think A", then responding to people who say "I think ~A" with "hey hey hey, let's let people decide themselves" is pretty stifling. I don't believe that was your intent, but that's one way it reads. I appreciate that you've explained your reasoning for your position, though.

joshuamorton 6y ago

Yes, you've made your position clear. I'm simply asking that you acknowledge that not everyone agrees with you, instead of making sweeping statements that no matter your opinion, Timnit was "obnoxious". You have your view of the events, I'm not trying to convince you to change it. I'm simply saying that other people disagree. No need to continue to try and justify yourself.

fossuser 6y ago
Of course - there will almost always be some amount of people that disagree with any position. That doesn’t make all positions equally valid. Stating that others disagree seems like a banality? Obviously this is the case, just look at this thread and Twitter. I just think they’re wrong. I think attempting to explain why I think the way I do is kind of the point of the discussion. If I can’t justify it then I’d want to change my mind.
dash2 6y ago
I think the quotes given are persuasive evidence, though. “I’m disengaging for my sanity”?

chrisdirkis 6y ago

Not to get too heated or anything, but the framing of "People can read the thread for themselves and decide." concerns me. Saying "I think A", then responding to people who say "I think ~A" with "hey hey hey, let's let people decide themselves" is pretty stifling. I don't believe that was your intent, but that's one way it reads. I appreciate that you've explained your reasoning for your position, though.