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A lot of the arguments here seem to come from people thinking laptops are the only game in town. When someone makes unqualified claims about the m1 beating "all

A lot of the arguments here seem to come from people thinking laptops are the only game in town. When someone makes unqualified claims about the m1 beating "all the other PC cpus" of course people are going to compare it to desktop chips. Even Apple themselves advertised it as the "worlds fastest CPU core" when they announced it, which is blatantly untrue. People aren't saying that this isn't a very compelling CPU, they're just annoyed by the bullshit marketing, and the people blindly repeating it.

xvector 6y ago
> Even Apple themselves advertised it as the "worlds fastest CPU core" when they announced it, which is blatantly untrue. Is it? In Geekbench the M1 was outperforming the 5950X in single-core. Source: https://www.reddit.com/r/Amd/comments/jspnhp/apple_new_m1_chip_single_core_is_faster_than_the/ https://www.reddit.com/r/Amd/comments/jspnhp/apple_new_m1_ch... EDIT: Looks like that post is comparing 2 different Geekbench versions. Newer Geekbench versions have optimizations for Zen 3, putting it back at the top.
- p1necone 6y ago
  Highest Geekbench 5 single core score is apparently 2239 on a 5800x (https://browser.geekbench.com/v5/cpu/singlecore?page=1 https://browser.geekbench.com/v5/cpu/singlecore?page=1) Highest m1 single core score is 1716 (https://browser.geekbench.com/v5/cpu/search?q=Apple+M1 https://browser.geekbench.com/v5/cpu/search?q=Apple+M1) (Of course they're likely overclocked past factory settings, but if we ignore those results that's not the fastest CPU core in the world, is it?) Geekbench has also not traditionally been a benchmark used for x86 desktop chips, it's more commonly used to compare android and apple phones.
  - armadsen 6y ago
    > Geekbench has also not traditionally been a benchmark used for x86 desktop chips, it's more commonly used to compare android and apple phones. This isn’t really true. Geekbench started out as a desktop (Mac) app. Originally it was calibrated so that Power Mac G5 would get a score of 1000. They’ve recalibrated since then and added mobile versions, but it has its roots in desktop benchmarking.
  - sgerenser 6y ago
    2239 for a Ryzen 5800x single core isn’t just overclocked, that’s like 6GHz LN2 overclocked. Looks dubious to me.
- sod 6y ago
  The M1 changed the game. Measuring single core on an M1 may be counter productive. E.g. javascript runs on 2 to 3 cores at once even though it's single threaded. Thanks to running RISC instructions of a single process in parallel on multiple cores. Thats why javascript on the M1 is twice as fast as on Intel, even though the M1 just runs at 3Ghz.
sod 6y ago
So on my macbook pro 8gb m1, everything node.js related (thats what I work with, node.js compiled to arm via `npm install v15`) is more then 2x as fast as on ryzen 3900x PC, and even faster as on my i7 16" 32gb 2018 macbook pro. Example: My angular project compiles in 65 seconds on the intel macbook - while fans screaming in terror. And in 30 seconds in the m1 macbook - not even getting warm. So if Intel came with a new CPU that said all my workflows are now 120% faster and power consumption dropped 4x because of a breakthrough (and not 4% year over year like the last 10 years), would you believe it? But because Apple did it, it is "blatantly untrue"?
- sod 6y ago
  `nvm install v15`, not npm :D

xvector 6y ago

> Even Apple themselves advertised it as the "worlds fastest CPU core" when they announced it, which is blatantly untrue. Is it? In Geekbench the M1 was outperforming the 5950X in single-core. Source: https://www.reddit.com/r/Amd/comments/jspnhp/apple_new_m1_chip_single_core_is_faster_than_the/ https://www.reddit.com/r/Amd/comments/jspnhp/apple_new_m1_ch... EDIT: Looks like that post is comparing 2 different Geekbench versions. Newer Geekbench versions have optimizations for Zen 3, putting it back at the top.

p1necone 6y ago
Highest Geekbench 5 single core score is apparently 2239 on a 5800x (https://browser.geekbench.com/v5/cpu/singlecore?page=1 https://browser.geekbench.com/v5/cpu/singlecore?page=1) Highest m1 single core score is 1716 (https://browser.geekbench.com/v5/cpu/search?q=Apple+M1 https://browser.geekbench.com/v5/cpu/search?q=Apple+M1) (Of course they're likely overclocked past factory settings, but if we ignore those results that's not the fastest CPU core in the world, is it?) Geekbench has also not traditionally been a benchmark used for x86 desktop chips, it's more commonly used to compare android and apple phones.
- armadsen 6y ago
  > Geekbench has also not traditionally been a benchmark used for x86 desktop chips, it's more commonly used to compare android and apple phones. This isn’t really true. Geekbench started out as a desktop (Mac) app. Originally it was calibrated so that Power Mac G5 would get a score of 1000. They’ve recalibrated since then and added mobile versions, but it has its roots in desktop benchmarking.
- sgerenser 6y ago
  2239 for a Ryzen 5800x single core isn’t just overclocked, that’s like 6GHz LN2 overclocked. Looks dubious to me.
sod 6y ago
The M1 changed the game. Measuring single core on an M1 may be counter productive. E.g. javascript runs on 2 to 3 cores at once even though it's single threaded. Thanks to running RISC instructions of a single process in parallel on multiple cores. Thats why javascript on the M1 is twice as fast as on Intel, even though the M1 just runs at 3Ghz.

sod 6y ago

So on my macbook pro 8gb m1, everything node.js related (thats what I work with, node.js compiled to arm via `npm install v15`) is more then 2x as fast as on ryzen 3900x PC, and even faster as on my i7 16" 32gb 2018 macbook pro. Example: My angular project compiles in 65 seconds on the intel macbook - while fans screaming in terror. And in 30 seconds in the m1 macbook - not even getting warm. So if Intel came with a new CPU that said all my workflows are now 120% faster and power consumption dropped 4x because of a breakthrough (and not 4% year over year like the last 10 years), would you believe it? But because Apple did it, it is "blatantly untrue"?

sod 6y ago
`nvm install v15`, not npm :D