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"This is a strawman that shows you’re an ideologue rather than someone discussing in good faith... I said nothing about open borders. I’m puzzled why the Justic

"This is a strawman that shows you’re an ideologue rather than someone discussing in good faith... I said nothing about open borders. I’m puzzled why the Justice Dept doesn’t want someone like me applying for the residence" You didn't narrow your argument to net contributors or rich people. You're perfectly happy with construction workers being turned away, just not rich people. That's fair. Then we can skip the "I'm a net contributor" argument and jump to "I'm a large net contributor". So we are very foolish for not having open borders for at least rich people? Let's say everyone who makes over $200k in the US is permitted to live here. Does that negatively effect the market conditions for anyone in the country? Then the argument becomes so what if it does negatively effect some people. What right do they have to live here simply by virtue of being born here or immigrating earlier? We're all just humans, it's stolen land, etc.

pavlov 6y ago
Sheesh. Where do you come up with “open borders”? I’ve already been granted a visa that required me to prove that I have expertise that isn’t easily available on the US job market. The process cost at least $10k. That’s not an open border. Now that I’m applying to stay, the Justice Department is suing because my employer doesn’t advertise my job as a vacancy on their website. What sense does this make? Trump famously asked why the US doesn’t get more immigrants “from somewhere like Norway rather than shithole countries.” I’m from Finland and have employment in the country already. Yet, if we go by your implication that my L1-PERM path shouldn’t be allowed, there’s no legal path for me to stay here, right? I guess your brand of nativism simply doesn’t want anyone in the country. That will be America’s loss.
- jacobriis 6y ago
  If you're on an L1B visa, you were required to demonstrate specialized knowledge of working at Facebook. "Specialized knowledge means either special knowledge possessed by an individual of the petitioning organization’s product, service, research, equipment, techniques, management, or other interests and its application in international markets, or an advanced level of knowledge or expertise in the organization’s processes and procedures (See 8 CFR 214.2(l)(1)(ii)(D))." https://www.uscis.gov/working-in-the-united-states/temporary-workers/l-1b-intracompany-transferee-specialized-knowledge https://www.uscis.gov/working-in-the-united-states/temporary... Just FYI, the largest users of this visa are body shop consulting companies like Tata, Cognizant, IBM, HP, Deloitte, Infosys. You'll have to forgive me for not being impressed by the entire category of L1 approvals.
  - pavlov 6y ago
    So what are you proposing? Should I have a legal path to stay or not? Trump and his followers want to shut down immigration while making noises about still letting in “Norwegians who deserve it”, etc. Yet there doesn’t seem to be an actual plan for that anywhere in sight. (I guess that’s a standard pattern in Trumpism — see Obamacare repeal, Section 230 repeal, and so on.)
    - jtdev 6y ago
      Why can’t Facebook just list the position and hire you when it’s demonstrated that you’re the only qualified candidate in existence? We have an actual problem with body shops abusing these programs to the detriment of workers - why do people have such a hard time with the idea of America/Americans trying to protect American interests?
      - pavlov 6y ago
        > ”Why can’t Facebook just list the position and hire you when it’s demonstrated that you’re the only qualified candidate in existence?” Why waste people’s time applying for a job that’s not an actual vacancy? If I can’t get the green card, FB isn’t going to fire me and hire an American in my place, they’ll just relocate me to UK or Canada. > “why do people have such a hard time with the idea of America/Americans trying to protect American interests?” Because, respectfully, you appear to have put totally incompetent people in charge of doing that. This lawsuit seems to be political theatre that does nothing to protect American interests. To start actually fixing the problem, you might want to look at how Canada handles immigration and get some ideas.
      - heimatau 6y ago
        This thread was good until you asked a 'why' question. It's a pretty destructive form of communication. If We want to get to the root of our inquiry, please ask a non-why question. We aren't assuming guilt with anyone, we want a solution to a problem that it seems we both want solved for the majority of the parties involved.

pavlov 6y ago

Sheesh. Where do you come up with “open borders”? I’ve already been granted a visa that required me to prove that I have expertise that isn’t easily available on the US job market. The process cost at least $10k. That’s not an open border. Now that I’m applying to stay, the Justice Department is suing because my employer doesn’t advertise my job as a vacancy on their website. What sense does this make? Trump famously asked why the US doesn’t get more immigrants “from somewhere like Norway rather than shithole countries.” I’m from Finland and have employment in the country already. Yet, if we go by your implication that my L1-PERM path shouldn’t be allowed, there’s no legal path for me to stay here, right? I guess your brand of nativism simply doesn’t want anyone in the country. That will be America’s loss.

jacobriis 6y ago
If you're on an L1B visa, you were required to demonstrate specialized knowledge of working at Facebook. "Specialized knowledge means either special knowledge possessed by an individual of the petitioning organization’s product, service, research, equipment, techniques, management, or other interests and its application in international markets, or an advanced level of knowledge or expertise in the organization’s processes and procedures (See 8 CFR 214.2(l)(1)(ii)(D))." https://www.uscis.gov/working-in-the-united-states/temporary-workers/l-1b-intracompany-transferee-specialized-knowledge https://www.uscis.gov/working-in-the-united-states/temporary... Just FYI, the largest users of this visa are body shop consulting companies like Tata, Cognizant, IBM, HP, Deloitte, Infosys. You'll have to forgive me for not being impressed by the entire category of L1 approvals.
- pavlov 6y ago
  So what are you proposing? Should I have a legal path to stay or not? Trump and his followers want to shut down immigration while making noises about still letting in “Norwegians who deserve it”, etc. Yet there doesn’t seem to be an actual plan for that anywhere in sight. (I guess that’s a standard pattern in Trumpism — see Obamacare repeal, Section 230 repeal, and so on.)
  - jtdev 6y ago
    Why can’t Facebook just list the position and hire you when it’s demonstrated that you’re the only qualified candidate in existence? We have an actual problem with body shops abusing these programs to the detriment of workers - why do people have such a hard time with the idea of America/Americans trying to protect American interests?
    - pavlov 6y ago
      > ”Why can’t Facebook just list the position and hire you when it’s demonstrated that you’re the only qualified candidate in existence?” Why waste people’s time applying for a job that’s not an actual vacancy? If I can’t get the green card, FB isn’t going to fire me and hire an American in my place, they’ll just relocate me to UK or Canada. > “why do people have such a hard time with the idea of America/Americans trying to protect American interests?” Because, respectfully, you appear to have put totally incompetent people in charge of doing that. This lawsuit seems to be political theatre that does nothing to protect American interests. To start actually fixing the problem, you might want to look at how Canada handles immigration and get some ideas.
    - heimatau 6y ago
      This thread was good until you asked a 'why' question. It's a pretty destructive form of communication. If We want to get to the root of our inquiry, please ask a non-why question. We aren't assuming guilt with anyone, we want a solution to a problem that it seems we both want solved for the majority of the parties involved.